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by BrendanJNorman
Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:09 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)
Replies: 103
Views: 9626

Re: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)

Dude, the real point is whether the sac is sound or unsound. Get the point yet? Obviously it is sound enough. It was enough to defeat an entity stronger than any human who has ever lived. :roll: I bet you are the type who called a Fritz move "sound" 20 years ago because the engine backed it up, eve...
by BrendanJNorman
Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:58 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)
Replies: 103
Views: 9626

Re: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)

The only reason I'm highlighting very weak moves by very strong players is that I was responding to your post ranting about people "missing the point" and ranting about elo 3441. Please quote me accurately (there is a convenient quote function on this board :wink: ), because I don't remember where ...
by BrendanJNorman
Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:53 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)
Replies: 103
Views: 9626

Re: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)

3. Kramnik blundered into a mate in 1 against a computer. This is not a rule amongst elite players, so stop pretending it is. You are using an exception to prove a rule with an unsound foundation. Regardless, you have created a strawman here...there is no bug and Ethereal's move (which Vivien propo...
by BrendanJNorman
Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:41 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)
Replies: 103
Views: 9626

Re: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)

1. The game was 3+2 which is not "micro-bullet" but the international standard time control for blitz chess. According to CCRL, Ethereal 12 is 3441 at blitz chess. 2. Nowhere did I suggest that the strength of opposition is what makes a game beautiful, I only added that this game can be considered ...
by BrendanJNorman
Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:00 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)
Replies: 103
Views: 9626

Re: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)

Many people miss this point...or ignore it deliberately. The losing side of this beautiful game is 3400 Elo. First, it's not 3400 "classical" (whatever that means) when you play it micro-bullet or whatever the TC was. And we all know that 2800 elo humans have blundered mate in 1. Are we supposed to...
by BrendanJNorman
Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:44 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)
Replies: 103
Views: 9626

Re: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)

It could be said that a beautiful chess game actually REQUIRES mistakes, actually. It does require mistakes, but by the losing side. Mistakes by the strong side (significant ones, inaccuracies are irrelevant) can make the game worse, especially when the mistake is the supposedly brilliant move (if ...
by BrendanJNorman
Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:23 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)
Replies: 103
Views: 9626

Re: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)

If you were playing OTB and had never studied the game, how would you have fared? Many people miss this point...or ignore it deliberately. The losing side of this beautiful game is 3400 Elo. Anybody on this site...the strongest players, from Larry K to Me to Chris W (similar strength to me I think)...
by BrendanJNorman
Sat Apr 11, 2020 9:18 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)
Replies: 103
Views: 9626

Re: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)

By this measure, neither the Evergreen game nor the Immortal game is beautiful. The "magnificent" move of the evergreen is a mistake, making a winning position into a draw against proper defense, so I'd say it's overrated. Aesthetics in chess have never been defined by the computer says. Even books...
by BrendanJNorman
Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:04 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)
Replies: 103
Views: 9626

Re: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)

I'm with BrendanJNorman. My first rule of a beautiful/amazing game is to play through it with Winboard. The importance of this step cannot be over-emphasized. For instance, if you analyze the Immoral game or the Evergreen game, the computer will point out "blunders" like not capturing a piece that ...
by BrendanJNorman
Sat Apr 11, 2020 8:00 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)
Replies: 103
Views: 9626

Re: Ethereal 12 (3400) loses to God! (Most Amazing Game I've Seen)

I have been studying and playing chess seriously for 20 years, and in all this time, I have NEVER seen a game like this. I have been very impressed with Ethereal 12, it is very, very strong and now with a more refined positional style to boot. But the way Lc0, even on my very weak hardware (laptop ...