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by chrisw
Mon Aug 13, 2018 11:14 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Copyright and Machine Learning IP
Replies: 102
Views: 10740

Re: Copyright and Machine Learning IP

Let's consider the games as source code, the training software as a compiler and megadatabase as a collection of source code files. If you remove some files from that collection and compile the result are you entitled to any copyright? I think the compiler analogy is a valid one. So IMO the copyrig...
by chrisw
Mon Aug 13, 2018 10:25 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: TCEC Division 3 results simulator
Replies: 119
Views: 11693

TCEC Division 3 results simulator

Results Simulator, Division 3, TCEC 13 34 rounds so far Column 'First' is chance of winning, Column 'First two' is chance of being in first two Engine, Tournament Elo, Initial Elo, First, First two Ethereal 3332 3295 0.959 0.993 Pedone 3132 3092 0.015 0.298 lc0 3177 3200 0.011 0.243 DeusX 3153 3150 ...
by chrisw
Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:14 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Copyright and Machine Learning IP
Replies: 102
Views: 10740

Re: Copyright and Machine Learning IP

An MP3 file consists of a 1-D structured set of numbers. But it represents music. That's copyrightable because of what it represents. Helpfully it's a one-to-one mapping, and decodable by MP3 player. And the music is tangible to the ear. This is a good example. If you feed an mp3 encoder copyrighte...
by chrisw
Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:06 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Copyright and Machine Learning IP
Replies: 102
Views: 10740

Re: Copyright and Machine Learning IP

Actually I say that whether you get copyrights is entirely dependent on the license agreement you made with the user of LC, and not on whether anything creative or functional is done. oh, ok, sorry, you're quite right. I hadn't noticed that one. From an earlier posting as well, syzygy wrote: ↑Sun A...
by chrisw
Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:53 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Copyright and Machine Learning IP
Replies: 102
Views: 10740

Re: Copyright and Machine Learning IP

1) If I write a very sophisticated implementation of rand(), do I own IP over the result of my algorithm from whoever runs it? 2) My rand() implementation is seeded by an integer value, person A and person B chose different integers based their own creative methods that may or may not involve exten...
by chrisw
Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:51 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Copyright and Machine Learning IP
Replies: 102
Views: 10740

Re: Copyright and Machine Learning IP

Btw, I was not talking about copyright on the trainer computer-program code (which obviously exists but is irrelevant to this discussion) Agreed. I am talking about whether or not the trainer computer-program code is or is not producing, unaided by creative human hand, a "work". Normally this is st...
by chrisw
Sun Aug 12, 2018 1:00 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Copyright and Machine Learning IP
Replies: 102
Views: 10740

Re: Copyright and Machine Learning IP

Anyway, it is clear that the Leela code determines only functional and no creative properties of its output, so the Leela authors have no copyright in any weights produced by the program. That's bizarre. A grandmaster will have looked at many chess games and abstracted chess knowledge that allows h...
by chrisw
Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:45 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Copyright and Machine Learning IP
Replies: 102
Views: 10740

Re: Copyright and Machine Learning IP

And there is no good reason at all to credit AS [...] Maybe he is a "training data provider"? For me his contribution is, at least remotely, comparable to that of an opening book creator who uses an existing book creation tool and feeds selected games into it. Or, perhaps even more closely related ...
by chrisw
Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:33 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Copyright and Machine Learning IP
Replies: 102
Views: 10740

Re: Copyright and Machine Learning IP

You couldn't make this up! The most common cause for a conclusion that makes no sense, though, is that the reasoning behind it was flawed. Copyright law was not written with this particular case in mind, so judgement on this case will have to rely on interpretation and precedent. Your assume the tr...
by chrisw
Sun Aug 12, 2018 11:17 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Copyright and Machine Learning IP
Replies: 102
Views: 10740

Re: Copyright and Machine Learning IP

You couldn't make this up! I see no (copyright) problem as long as it is acknowledged that Lc0 is the engine behind Deus X. Then its use complies with the GPLv3. TCEC could have felt cheated but apparently they do not. (But they probably knew it from the start anyway? They can't be that naive.) TCE...