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by lkaufman
Sun Jul 14, 2019 6:02 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Why there is no interest in Computer with odds Vs Humans match?
Replies: 164
Views: 4936

Re: Why there is no interest in Computer with odds Vs Humans match?

Why don't Carlsen give 2 pawn handicap against weaker players, IM's ? Something similar that Kasparov did in the early 2000s Perhaps Magnus can give pawn + move odds against 2500 rated GMs. Well he did play a blitz handicap match with IM Lawrence Trent, as did MVL. But I suppose you mean at a rapid...
by lkaufman
Sun Jul 14, 2019 4:31 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Why there is no interest in Computer with odds Vs Humans match?
Replies: 164
Views: 4936

Re: Why there is no interest in Computer with odds Vs Humans match?

Both my son and I have played many games against Komodo, Komodo MCTS, and Lc0 11248 (the one that's good at handicap play) at a wide variety of handicaps and time limits. I find "slow blitz" (usually 5' + 5") to be the most enjoyable Excuse me but that's just a really sad statement. A father and hi...
by lkaufman
Sun Jul 14, 2019 12:01 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Why there is no interest in Computer with odds Vs Humans match?
Replies: 164
Views: 4936

Re: Why there is no interest in Computer with odds Vs Humans match?

The networks are trained on very fast games, vastly faster than games that would be played at human time limits. So they will play in a way that optimizes win prob. against an opponent much weaker than the level of the network at a realistic time limit. Whether that is above or below the level of N...
by lkaufman
Sat Jul 13, 2019 3:10 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Why there is no interest in Computer with odds Vs Humans match?
Replies: 164
Views: 4936

Re: Why there is no interest in Computer with odds Vs Humans match?

Perhaps with a sufficiently lost position, the whole concept of evaluating in terms of win probabilities (derived from games where mistakes are made sometimes) is more fruitful than the AB approach of attempting to delay checkmate for as many moves as possible. This will look like a "bluff", but at...
by lkaufman
Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:07 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Why there is no interest in Computer with odds Vs Humans match?
Replies: 164
Views: 4936

Re: Why there is no interest in Computer with odds Vs Humans match?

Perhaps with a sufficiently lost position, the whole concept of evaluating in terms of win probabilities (derived from games where mistakes are made sometimes) is more fruitful than the AB approach of attempting to delay checkmate for as many moves as possible. This will look like a "bluff", but at...
by lkaufman
Sat Jul 13, 2019 5:03 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Why there is no interest in Computer with odds Vs Humans match?
Replies: 164
Views: 4936

Re: Why there is no interest in Computer with odds Vs Humans match?

Swindle or bluffing-mode is one way for the engine to play against the human when giving odds. Playing proper chess in odds matches is likely not the best engine strategy. Well, that's the question. Does that engine (or any other), which of course does not think about what is best for handicap matc...
by lkaufman
Sat Jul 13, 2019 4:58 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Why there is no interest in Computer with odds Vs Humans match?
Replies: 164
Views: 4936

Re: Why there is no interest in Computer with odds Vs Humans match?

We're probably already at the point where Lc0 network 11248 (before they introduced resignation) can give N odds in 3' + 1" blitz to Nakamura with decent results. Lc0 11248 plays it like a super human GM would, looking for any way to complicate, like an early g4 for example. It is just much more ef...
by lkaufman
Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:37 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Why there is no interest in Computer with odds Vs Humans match?
Replies: 164
Views: 4936

Re: Why there is no interest in Computer with odds Vs Humans match?

Each year the maximum alloted odds for engines increase as both hardware like cpu & engines get better. Now i'm curious to know what is possible the present sweet spot ? -> two pawns + move or knight for pawn with or without moving first ? P.S. -> Namakura said few years ago than he will beat any e...
by lkaufman
Fri Jul 12, 2019 5:15 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Why there is no interest in Computer with odds Vs Humans match?
Replies: 164
Views: 4936

Re: Why there is no interest in Computer with odds Vs Humans match?

It all depends what one hopes to gain from the match. Oh yeah, I don't think I've seen what is expected to be gained from a Knight odds match. Chess is about winning. Do you play chess against an engine to lose? What is the point, or you play chess to lose as long as you look good losing against an...
by lkaufman
Fri Jul 12, 2019 4:48 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Komodo MCTS
Replies: 39
Views: 3928

Re: Komodo MCTS

The Lc0 endgame trolling is supposedly due to how its NN are trained, if my understanding is correct - (and that's always doubtful :| ), although one would hope that with few pieces on the board the MCTS search wouldn't have that much trouble finding a more direct win. Now, what could be Komodo's t...