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by lkaufman
Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:24 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)
Replies: 36
Views: 748

Re: Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)

I'm of the opinion that chess959 GM vs engine tests would be the best way to ascertain raw chess skill (chess959 is chess960 without the standard start position). The heavy memorization associated with the standard start position create move quality aberrations, with a massive drop in move strength...
by lkaufman
Wed Aug 05, 2020 4:00 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)
Replies: 36
Views: 748

Re: Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)

They are veterans of 2000-2700 Elo ratings of top engines compared to humans, and the lower part of the table should be fairly accurate with respect to human ratings. The problem is that it's possible all the things engine beyond 2900 level are doing are only good against each other. Exploiting the...
by lkaufman
Wed Aug 05, 2020 3:19 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)
Replies: 36
Views: 748

Re: Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)

Current SSDF rating list looks interesting, and I think they use something similar to ELOStat. https://ssdf.bosjo.net/list.htm They are veterans of 2000-2700 Elo ratings of top engines compared to humans, and the lower part of the table should be fairly accurate with respect to human ratings. Here ...
by lkaufman
Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:29 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)
Replies: 36
Views: 748

Re: Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)

OK, so you are saying that CCRL 2600 (roughly CEGT 2400) = FIDE 2600, and that CCRL 2300 (roughly CEGT 2100) = FIDE 2100. So this means that the engine rating lists substantially UNDERESTIMATE rating differences in human terms!! Both you and I have said the exact opposite many times, I think you es...
by lkaufman
Tue Aug 04, 2020 5:28 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)
Replies: 36
Views: 748

Re: Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)

OK, so you are saying that CCRL 2600 (roughly CEGT 2400) = FIDE 2600, and that CCRL 2300 (roughly CEGT 2100) = FIDE 2100. So this means that the engine rating lists substantially UNDERESTIMATE rating differences in human terms!! Both you and I have said the exact opposite many times, I think you es...
by lkaufman
Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:27 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: this will be the merge of a lifetime : SF 80 Elo+
Replies: 78
Views: 4162

Re: this will be the merge of a lifetime : SF 80 Elo+

Leto wrote:
Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:17 pm
Is that at LTC?
I'm getting a result that sfnnue (yesterday's 2108 net) on one thread is beating Stockfish 11 on four threads, at 2' + 1" by 9 elo after 200 games. This nnue is the real deal.
by lkaufman
Tue Aug 04, 2020 3:37 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)
Replies: 36
Views: 748

Re: Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)

Hi Larry, and same situation we have in Winboard times. All the winboard engines are not very strong in endgames on AMD K6-2 or AMD K6-3. First program really strong in endgames are Shredder! Stefan Meyer-Kahlen developed Shredder 3.0 for Winboard too (a secret mission). I tested WB Shredder 3 vs. ...
by lkaufman
Tue Aug 04, 2020 2:46 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)
Replies: 36
Views: 748

Re: Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)

Hi Larry, and same situation we have in Winboard times. All the winboard engines are not very strong in endgames on AMD K6-2 or AMD K6-3. First program really strong in endgames are Shredder! Stefan Meyer-Kahlen developed Shredder 3.0 for Winboard too (a secret mission). I tested WB Shredder 3 vs. ...
by lkaufman
Tue Aug 04, 2020 4:08 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)
Replies: 36
Views: 748

Re: Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)

Hi Larry, and same situation we have in Winboard times. All the winboard engines are not very strong in endgames on AMD K6-2 or AMD K6-3. First program really strong in endgames are Shredder! Stefan Meyer-Kahlen developed Shredder 3.0 for Winboard too (a secret mission). I tested WB Shredder 3 vs. ...
by lkaufman
Mon Aug 03, 2020 9:29 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)
Replies: 36
Views: 748

Re: Vintage .... Rating List Winboard from June 1999 (16:42)

Hi there, I believe this was the last version of "Winboard rating list", a long time before CEGT or CCRL started! :-) The good and olt times! Djordje and myself in background contact a lot of programmers for make Winboard more and more interesting! With Kai and Christian Koch we played many nice to...