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by kranium
Sat Jun 19, 2021 11:06 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: will Tcec allow Stockfish with a Leela net to play?
Replies: 92
Views: 3183

Re: will Tcec allow Stockfish with a Leela net to play?

Why are you linking an article that bases its conclusions on 240/250 game samples? In his defense, thats 10x the sample size of the average talkchess thread :lol: well you're right..good point it's unfortunate, the paper is so well done otherwise, and extremely thorough tested so many variables tab...
by kranium
Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:41 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: will Tcec allow Stockfish with a Leela net to play?
Replies: 92
Views: 3183

Re: will Tcec allow Stockfish with a Leela net to play?

All this gloating about how Ethereal NNUE trainer is "original" or whatever while Fire's isn't etc for what exactly ? Reinventing the wheel doesn't make one original or smarter. If one enjoys doing that, that is fine, but bashing others because they don't do it your way is bullshit. People disagree...
by kranium
Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:01 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: will Tcec allow Stockfish with a Leela net to play?
Replies: 92
Views: 3183

Re: will Tcec allow Stockfish with a Leela net to play?

No need...the CalPoly study states the facts clearly enough for me. BTW- if you read the study, it comes to the conclusion that SSD or HDD doesn't make a difference, "Engine strength does not appear to have any relationship with tablebase access speed and relative performance gains/losses." so that...
by kranium
Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:47 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: will Tcec allow Stockfish with a Leela net to play?
Replies: 92
Views: 3183

Re: will Tcec allow Stockfish with a Leela net to play?

Have you ever actually tried a match between Stockfish with EGTB vs. without EGTB? With 6 man EGTB, one can expect less than 10 elo. For comparison, let's try Stockfish with an evaluation function vs. without an evaluation function... oh wait, that would be stupid. They're not remotely comparable a...
by kranium
Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:55 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: will Tcec allow Stockfish with a Leela net to play?
Replies: 92
Views: 3183

Re: will Tcec allow Stockfish with a Leela net to play?

Have you ever actually tried a match between Stockfish with EGTB vs. without EGTB? With 6 man EGTB, one can expect less than 10 elo. For comparison, let's try Stockfish with an evaluation function vs. without an evaluation function... oh wait, that would be stupid. They're not remotely comparable a...
by kranium
Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:06 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: A random walk down NNUE street ….
Replies: 48
Views: 9278

Re: A random walk down NNUE street ….

MikeB wrote:
Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:54 pm
I guess this is a fitting epilog to my random walk down NNUE street:

https://github.com/official-stockfish/S ... /pull/3568

the latest and greatest Stockfish net .. until tomorrow perhaps..
wow nice work Michael :!:
by kranium
Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:33 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: will Tcec allow Stockfish with a Leela net to play?
Replies: 92
Views: 3183

Re: will Tcec allow Stockfish with a Leela net to play?

Like Fire author said NNUE and Syzygy are pretty similar. Both probe (syzygy code snatched from SF...) evaluation binaries and return evaluation. I also disagree. Syzygy probing code is only really of much use in the rare tricky endgame. For top engines, it has a fairly negligible impact on strengt...
by kranium
Fri Jun 18, 2021 1:16 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: will Tcec allow Stockfish with a Leela net to play?
Replies: 92
Views: 3183

Re: will Tcec allow Stockfish with a Leela net to play?

I agree that it's all quite subjective, though I find it somewhat amusing that you suggest unique moves as a criterion for originality after decrying Ed's similarity tests as inadequate for establishing originality (when it was pointed out that Fire had high similarity to Houdini). You know very we...
by kranium
Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:33 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: will Tcec allow Stockfish with a Leela net to play?
Replies: 92
Views: 3183

Re: will Tcec allow Stockfish with a Leela net to play?

Thanks Connor I do appreciate all this work...and your attention to detail, unfortunately the exact details of differences between engines is just not important to me personally. I do have an understanding of NNUE, being one of the 1st to help Nodchip last summer, when NNUE 1st appeared. I went so f...
by kranium
Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:22 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: will Tcec allow Stockfish with a Leela net to play?
Replies: 92
Views: 3183

Re: will Tcec allow Stockfish with a Leela net to play?

Houdini's lower similarity can be attributed to its evaluation function being somewhat original (at least among publicly availably evaluation function). Regardless, it is a clone due to its search function and many related component being copy pasted from Stockfish on inspection of the code. That's...