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by Ovyron
Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:23 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Do you test engines with or without using a book?
Replies: 27
Views: 3283

Re: Do you test engines with or without using a book?

Both engines (should) get to play each side of each position. Also startpos already gives white an advantage without the engines doing anything :) This is a myth believed by most testers and rating lists. In reality humans aren't forced to play the same openings with both colors, they play the open...
by Ovyron
Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:00 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Perfect chess engine elo ( 32 men TB) can be within 200 of Stocfish in Tcec LTC conditions
Replies: 180
Views: 17188

Re: Perfect chess engine elo ( 32 men TB) can be within 200 of Stocfish in Tcec LTC conditions

It's very easy to refute BrendanJNorman, I introduce to you... THE RANDOM MOVER The random mover is a simple entity that takes a list of all legal moves in a position, then plays one at random. That's it. Now we need this question: Q. Can 32Men-TB beat itself? A. No. And that's all you need. QED ( F...
by Ovyron
Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:11 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: SFNNUE Fails!! In this Positions!!
Replies: 60
Views: 15871

Re: SFNNUE Fails!! In this Positions!!

Here the question is about a program finding the best move in its PV with highest eval. U r diverting the OP to different way. But the same applies (if a losing unassisted engine doesn't resign lost position then the winning unassisted engine should be able to win any way it wants, including longes...
by Ovyron
Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:02 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: SFNNUE Fails!! In this Positions!!
Replies: 60
Views: 15871

Re: SFNNUE Fails!! In this Positions!!

Someone playing as he likes and finding the best moves by a program are two different things. That I don't play the shortest mate doesn't mean I couldn't find it, I could have found it and decided to prolong the game (since the player that hasn't resigned did just that - how can it be argued that o...
by Ovyron
Sat Dec 19, 2020 9:34 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: SFNNUE Fails!! In this Positions!!
Replies: 60
Views: 15871

Re: SFNNUE Fails!! In this Positions!!

Master Om wrote:
Fri Nov 20, 2020 12:56 pm
There is no such rule. One can play as he wishes.
That's exactly what I've been saying :shock:

You're the one saying the shortest mate should be played, as if there was such a rule, as if the winning player couldn't play as they wish.
by Ovyron
Tue Nov 17, 2020 5:36 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: SFNNUE Fails!! In this Positions!!
Replies: 60
Views: 15871

Re: SFNNUE Fails!! In this Positions!!

There are trolls like that. All the people that continue playing the game when they're getting mated are trolls. You're the one building straw men, this is my actual statement: There's no objective argument of why a mate in 10 is better than a mate in 11. In that situation, the losing player is a t...
by Ovyron
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:28 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: SFNNUE Fails!! In this Positions!!
Replies: 60
Views: 15871

Re: SFNNUE Fails!! In this Positions!!

The best approach is to choose the shortest path to mate AND to announce the mate to the opponent. Usually when confronted with reality they resign quickly It didn't work, the player just mocked my mate announcement and said that since I had so much fun counting the moves to mate he was going to ke...
by Ovyron
Tue Nov 10, 2020 8:24 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: SFNNUE Fails!! In this Positions!!
Replies: 60
Views: 15871

Re: SFNNUE Fails!! In this Positions!!

Irrelevant for the context of finding the BEST move in a position. It's relevant because you haven't shown WHY is a shorter game better than a longer game. And you haven't shown WHY is a shorter game better than a longer one ONLY if you're winning the game, BUT if you're losing the game then making...
by Ovyron
Thu Oct 29, 2020 12:23 am
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: Unfair Poll
Replies: 104
Views: 9838

Re: Unfair Poll

You take it way too serious... All these discussions in these threads sound very passionate, if instead of fighting these people put this passion into computer chess, as a team I'm sure they could come up with some program that made NNUE technology look like a "Hello world" beginner program by comp...
by Ovyron
Wed Oct 28, 2020 10:06 pm
Forum: Computer Chess Club: General Topics
Topic: SFNNUE Fails!! In this Positions!!
Replies: 60
Views: 15871

Re: SFNNUE Fails!! In this Positions!!

What situation ? There's a mate on the board, the losing player is wasting everyone's time! many play till end. What part is "the end" is what we don't agree with, I say that if there's a mate on the board, the game is already over. The mating player has won, the other should resign. But its doesno...