Houdini 6 has been released

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Modern Times
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by Modern Times »

APassionForCriminalJustic wrote:
You sir are a beast of an author. Looking at these results... You've somehow managed to catch SF development.
Yes, look at the FRC list if you haven't seen it already:

http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/404FRC/index.html

Single CPU only though.
Lyudmil Tsvetkov
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov »

APassionForCriminalJustic wrote:
Houdini wrote:Houdini 6 has been released today.
More information on our web page http://www.cruxis.com/chess/houdini.htm .
Also in the updated User's Manual: http://www.cruxis.com/chess/manual/index.html .

Make sure to refresh the browser cache using F5 or Ctrl-F5 to get the most recent page.

Thank you for reading,
Robert
You sir are a beast of an author. Looking at these results... You've somehow managed to catch SF development.
more precisely, you support the community, or you support the non-community, or today you support the community and tomorrow the non-community?
Lyudmil Tsvetkov
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov »

JJJ wrote:Yes, congrats Robert, you did it, you really have made the number 1 engine again, some years after the reign of Komodo and Stockfish.
where do you get that?

according to all current tests, H6 is way weaker than SF in SMP mode, and SMP is how tournaments like TCEC play.

even on single core, larger head to head H-SF samples give SF some marginal lead.

Ingo's, CCRL, CEGT etc. rating lists only reflect contempt.

As a real chess player, I don't care about contempt.
Lyudmil Tsvetkov
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by Lyudmil Tsvetkov »

Modern Times wrote:
APassionForCriminalJustic wrote:
You sir are a beast of an author. Looking at these results... You've somehow managed to catch SF development.
Yes, look at the FRC list if you haven't seen it already:

http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/404FRC/index.html

Single CPU only though.
FRC always pumps up the rating of the strongest engine, especially if it plays with contempt also against weaker opponents, as FRC is in general more complex than normal chess and king safety has higher bearing on the results.

Also, FRC, as a less symmetric chess variant, necessarily pushes up the winning rate, and that again always favours the strongest engine.
APassionForCriminalJustic
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by APassionForCriminalJustic »

Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
APassionForCriminalJustic wrote:
Houdini wrote:Houdini 6 has been released today.
More information on our web page http://www.cruxis.com/chess/houdini.htm .
Also in the updated User's Manual: http://www.cruxis.com/chess/manual/index.html .

Make sure to refresh the browser cache using F5 or Ctrl-F5 to get the most recent page.

Thank you for reading,
Robert
You sir are a beast of an author. Looking at these results... You've somehow managed to catch SF development.
more precisely, you support the community, or you support the non-community, or today you support the community and tomorrow the non-community?
Both. Never thought H6 was so strong. But the results from all of the testers appears to be saying the same thing.
JJJ
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by JJJ »

Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
JJJ wrote:Yes, congrats Robert, you did it, you really have made the number 1 engine again, some years after the reign of Komodo and Stockfish.
where do you get that?

according to all current tests, H6 is way weaker than SF in SMP mode, and SMP is how tournaments like TCEC play.

even on single core, larger head to head H-SF samples give SF some marginal lead.

Ingo's, CCRL, CEGT etc. rating lists only reflect contempt.

As a real chess player, I don't care about contempt.
http://talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 3&start=30

This test is good enough for me.
Jouni
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by Jouni »

Houdini 6 tactical is now best in all my testsuite (tactical and endgame). Only Houdini 1.5 has been even better :) . But for matesolving SF matefinder 2016 (december) is still unbeaten! Some figures: 150 difficult mates from Chest database. Matefinder solves 105 in minute level - Houdini 87.
Jouni
clumma
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by clumma »

Leo wrote:Ok. Thanks. Hard to believe.
Not too hard, since Zipproth has not published the format (to my knowledge). It could be discerned by examining Brainfish source code, but other engine authors should not be expected to do this.

Then again, Robert might just as well make his own backsolved book with Houdini. It's something I would consider doing myself, but the Houdini license apparently does not allow it. :(

-Carl
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by clumma »

Houdini wrote:Why? Our philosophy has always been that book management (in particular the probabilities of choosing between the different moves available in the opening book) is done by the GUI that runs the engine.
Each GUI has its own, different book format; if you’re using Arena, your book will be in the Arena ABK format; if you're using Fritz/ChessBase you'll be using ctg format book, etc.
To use an engine you'll eventually need a GUI; the GUI might then as well make the book move selection.
As an outsider to computer chess this always struck me as a strange architectural decision. If GUI handles book, engine cannot use its evaluations when searching. As Brainfish proved, engine strength can be substantially increased with only ~ 50 MB stored evals. Yet engine authors happily support ~ 1 TB tablebases that improve playing strength far less.

Based on Regan's guestimate of perfect play at 3600 Elo, we are within 5 years of weakly solving game. Idea of opening "book" as something created with human input is an anachronism. Absolute truth of many openings is already known, and indeed already found in Cerebellum.

Many other strange ideas in computer chess. Such as running engines on one's local machine...

-Carl
syzygy
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Re: Houdini 6 has been released

Post by syzygy »

clumma wrote:Based on Regan's guestimate of perfect play at 3600 Elo, we are within 5 years of weakly solving game.
Current top engines (and in fact any regular chess engine developed over the last 70 years or so) have nothing to do with weakly solving the game.