The Houdini 6 release will be soon.JJJ wrote:That's a good progress Robert. Will you try to get more elo before an official release ?
I'm happy to see that you're disappointed with Houdini leading the rating list by only 30 points .
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JJJ wrote:On TCEC Houdini 5 was beaten by 54% against Stockfish 8( short sample )Laskos wrote:At this time control on one core Houdini seems stronger than the best SF dev. But TCEC is a bit different, hard to say.Nordlandia wrote:Kai Laskos: Is new Houdini on par or superior to SF9 Dev?
On fast.gm Houdini was beaten 51% on 1 core and 1 hour time control by Stockfish 8
Maybe we could guess Stockfish 8 is slighty better than Houdini 5 in TCEC condition.
So, this Houdini win barely Stockfish 8, probably loose against Stockfish dev and has to play in TCEC condition where he might be slighty below as well.
So the goal to be the absolute best is not totally achevied here. Still a good update, because it seems closer than Stockfish than last time.
A slope like Komodo has due to contempt would be detectable even with this sparse data:Houdini wrote:You made some pretty astute predictions.Laskos wrote:Thank you very much Ingo. Impressive results, and my ELO predictions were pretty accurate (aside the last, where I missed a couple of ELO points). Congratulations to Robert!
But maybe not sufficiently taking into account the error margins on the individual results - with 200 games it must be like ±30 Elo. With only 2 or 3 data points on the right side of the diagram, the slope of your line is pretty uncertain.
Still, Houdini won only by 52% against Stockfish 8 at this time control. Maybe Stockfish dev would do the same result instead his 54% in bullet. That's still very closeUri Blass wrote:JJJ wrote:On TCEC Houdini 5 was beaten by 54% against Stockfish 8( short sample )Laskos wrote:At this time control on one core Houdini seems stronger than the best SF dev. But TCEC is a bit different, hard to say.Nordlandia wrote:Kai Laskos: Is new Houdini on par or superior to SF9 Dev?
On fast.gm Houdini was beaten 51% on 1 core and 1 hour time control by Stockfish 8
Maybe we could guess Stockfish 8 is slighty better than Houdini 5 in TCEC condition.
So, this Houdini win barely Stockfish 8, probably loose against Stockfish dev and has to play in TCEC condition where he might be slighty below as well.
So the goal to be the absolute best is not totally achevied here. Still a good update, because it seems closer than Stockfish than last time.
I do not see the basis for it.
I think that Claiming that stockfish is relatively better than houdini6 at long time control has no basis.
Stockish is optimized for bullet and not for long time control in the stockfish framework and if in the past they at least used (-4.5,1.5) at short time control to give a better chance to changes that are not so good at faster time control than bullet then today they even do not do it.
I am not sure even if stockfish developement is expected to do better than 116-104 against stockfish8 in IPON conditions and 116-104 may be a lucky run for stockfish8.Uri Blass wrote:We do not know if houdini will lose a direct encounter against stockfish dev.JJJ wrote:Houdini is leading but will loose in direct encounter against Stockfish dev, and I want your program to win
The Nalimov code is legacy (meaning that I'm not going to tinker too much with it) and in my opinion quite obsolete since Syzygy is available.Nordlandia wrote:Robert: one question -> did you look upon Nalimov crash?
Indeed. I ran some test games recently with Stockfish Dev and I wasn't convinced that there was much improvement since SF8. OK it wasn't thousands of games, but I'd seen enough to tell me that I wouldn't bother running more.Uri Blass wrote:We do not know if houdini will lose a direct encounter against stockfish dev.JJJ wrote:Houdini is leading but will loose in direct encounter against Stockfish dev, and I want your program to win