Rook moves in opening phase

[Henk]

I get the impression that doing positional rook moves in the opening phase of the game is usually bad. (Say first 8 moves)

Is that true and what exceptions are there ? Perhaps after gf Rg8.
Maybe Re1, Rd1 but usually too early and not necessary.

[Dann Corbit]

I get the impression that doing positional rook moves in the opening phase of the game is usually bad. (Say first 8 moves)

Is that true and what exceptions are there ? Perhaps after gf Rg8.
Maybe Re1, Rd1 but usually too early and not necessary.

Yasser Seirawan talks about why you should develop your minor pieces first in his books. The exception is that it is usually good to castle early.

[jdart]

I don't think there is a general rule about moving the Rooks. For example in the QGD, after:

1. d4 d5 2. c4 e6 3. Nc3 Be7 4. Nf3 Nf6 5. Bg5 O-O 6. e3 Nbd7

Rc1 is a good move. Alekhine played this often, notably against Capablanca in their 1927 match.

--Jon

[Dann Corbit]

Anand:
https://www.ichess.net/2016/08/22/vishy ... -strategy/

[Dann Corbit]

Collection of opening rules:
http://exeterchessclub.org.uk/content/ten-rules-opening

[Lyudmil Tsvetkov]

I get the impression that doing positional rook moves in the opening phase of the game is usually bad. (Say first 8 moves)

Is that true and what exceptions are there ? Perhaps after gf Rg8.
Maybe Re1, Rd1 but usually too early and not necessary.

one of my favourite opening lines is 1.h4 e5 2.Rh3!, with an early attacking sortie, and usually SF fails to convert for black after that.

but, after the Dutch ban the burqa, I guess one can play everything in the opening. (to go it Henk-style)

[Henk]

[pgn]
[Event "Computer Chess Game"]
[Site "HP"]
[Date "2016.12.05"]
[Round "-"]
[White "Fairy-Max 4.8S"]
[Black "SkipperWinb"]
[Result "*"]
[TimeControl "600"]
[Annotator "1. +0.17 1... +0.52"]

1. d4 {+0.17/9} h5 {+0.52/161 10} 2. c3 {+0.14/9 21} h4 {+0.07/181 10} 3.
Nf3 {+0.31/9 7} Nf6 {+0.21/181 10} 4. Bg5 {+0.52/10 8} h3 {-0.29/181 10} 5.
gxh3 {+0.41/10 11} Rh5 {-0.96/181 9} 6. Nbd2 {+0.67/9 7} Nh7 {-0.69/181 9}
7. Bf4 {+0.43/10 16} g5 {-0.61/181 9} 8. Be3 {+0.43/10 10} d5 {-0.74/161 9}
9. Ng1 {+0.49/9 8} c6 {-1.91/141 9} 10. Qb3 {+0.70/10 10} e6 {-1.21/141 9}
11. O-O-O {+0.86/11 7} f5 {-0.98/141 9} 12. Qc2 {+0.56/10 6} b5
{-0.72/161 8} 13. Ngf3 {+0.63/10 6} a5 {-0.93/161 8} 14. Ne5 {+0.56/10 11}
Bg7 {-0.93/141 8} 15. Qd3 {+0.63/10 10} a4 {-1.19/141 8} 16. f4 {+0.66/9 7}
gxf4 {-0.94/161 8} 17. Bxf4 {+0.71/10 8} Qf6 {-1.17/141 8} 18. Qf3
{+1.77/11 7} Rh4 {-0.94/161 8} 19. Rg1 {+2.04/11 13} Bf8 {-1.57/141 8} 20.
Ng6 {+2.33/11 7} Nd7 {-3.25/181 7} 21. Nxh4 {+2.54/11 10} Qxh4
{-3.48/181 7} 22. Bg3 {+2.54/10 7} Qh6 {-3.24/161 7} 23. a3 {+2.45/9 5} Ng5
{-3.26/181 7} 24. Qe3 {+2.55/12 7} Ne4 {-3.23/201 7} 25. Bf4 {+2.58/12 11}
Qh5 {-3.24/181 7} 26. Re1 {+2.52/10 10} Nb6 {-3.22/181 7} 27. Rg8
{+2.32/10 6} Qh7 {-3.00/181 7} 28. Qg1 {+2.24/11 7} Kf7 {-2.30/161 7} 29.
Nf3 {+2.39/11 10} Nc4 {-3.21/181 6} 30. Rg2 {+2.41/11 16} Nb6 {-3.24/161 6}
31. Ne5+ {+3.39/11 4} Ke8 {-3.25/181 6} 32. Rg8 {+3.15/11 9} Nxc3
{-5.90/161 6} 33. Rh8 {+7.90/10 4} Na2+ {-14.01/181 6} 34. Kd1
{+12.52/10 9} Qe7 {-14.05/181 6} 35. Qg6+ {+14.91/12 6} Kd8 {-14.99/201 6}
36. Nxc6+ {+15.59/12 13} Kd7 {-16.37/201 6} 37. Nxe7 {+15.90/12 38} Bb7
{-16.37/181 6}
{Game aborted} *
[/pgn]

[velmarin]

one of my favourite opening lines is 1.h4 e5 2.Rh3!, with an early attacking sortie, and usually SF fails to convert for black after that.

[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Nueva partida"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[PlyCount "4"]

1. h4 e5 2. Rh3 d5 *
[/pgn]

It seems a very bad line, you can explain the continuation

[Milos]

one of my favourite opening lines is 1.h4 e5 2.Rh3!, with an early attacking sortie, and usually SF fails to convert for black after that.

[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "????.??.??"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Nueva partida"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "*"]
[PlyCount "4"]

1. h4 e5 2. Rh3 d5 *
[/pgn]

It seems a very bad line, you can explain the continuation

Don't even bother it's completely lost. Just another one of Lyudmil's fantasies...