After back and forth analyses (just before 20.Rh5), it seems to be drawishEelco de Groot wrote:By coincidence, that is where I got stuck as well, I am leaning towards a draw but Serpent's eval is still 1.25 here after 16...Rc6. Probably 16. Rg5 Qe1 is the better defence instead of 16. Rg5 Rc6. And I don't have the Syzygy tablebases, let alone Lomonosov that you could probably use to good advantage so maybe someone with tablebases can give an easy answer?dadij wrote:Carl with his IDeA analysis is actually correct, 1.Nf5 doesn't give white much. Your analysis is flawed. It didn't take me long to see this. I used IDeA too, admittedly taking advantage of a new feature in Aquarium 2016. Hint: Have a look at 10...Kf7 instead of 10...Re8.Vinvin wrote: For the second time : check the line !
For a long and accurate line, IDeA has about 0% chance to find the correct continuation.
New line using Dadi's Kf7 and 16...Qe1 :
[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2016.05.30"]
[Round "?"]
[White "W"]
[Black "B"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "2r1k2r/4qpp1/p3p2p/1pn1P3/3N2P1/P7/1PP3QP/1K1R2R1 w k -"]
1. Nf5 exf5 2. gxf5 f6 (2... Rg8 3. Rd5 {!?} (3. e6 {?!}
fxe6 4. fxe6 g5 {!?} (4... g6 5. Rgf1 a5 6. Rde1 b4 7. Qg3
Nxe6 8. Rxe6 Qxe6 9. Re1 Kd7 10. Rxe6 Kxe6 11. axb4 axb4
12. Qg4+ Kf7 13. Qxb4 {±}) 5. Rge1 g4 {8}) 3... g5
(3... Qc7 4. Re1 g6 5. Re3 Rd8 6. Rxd8+ Kxd8 7. Qa8+ {!}
(7. Qd5+ Kc8 8. Rc3 Rd8 9. Qxc5 Qxc5 10. Rxc5+ Kb7 {±})
7... Qc8 8. Qd5+ Ke8 9. f6 {+?-}) 4. Qh3 Na4 5. Qxh6 Qc7
6. Rc1 Nb6 7. Rd4 Qc5 8. c3 Nc4 9. Qh7 Rf8 10. e6 Qe5
11. f6 Qxe6 12. Rcd1 Qxf6 13. Re4+ Ne5 14. Qh3 {+?-})
3. exf6 Qxf6 4. Qd5 Kf8 5. Rg6 Qf7 6. Qd6+ Kg8 7. Rdg1 Rh7
8. f6 Ne6 9. Qxa6 Qd7 10. Qb6 Kf7 (10... Re8 11. h4 Kh8
12. Qf2 Rf8 (12... gxf6 13. Qf5 Qd8 14. Rxf6 Ng7 15. Qf3
Qe7 16. Rf1 Rg8 17. Qc3 {+?-}) 13. Qf5 Qf7 14. fxg7+ Nxg7
15. Qxb5 Nf5 16. a4 Rg7 17. Rxg7 Nxg7 18. Qc6 {±}) 11. fxg7
Rxg7 12. Rxg7+ Nxg7 13. Qxh6 Qd4 14. Qg6+ Kf8 15. c3 Qe5
16. Rg5 Qe1+ 17. Ka2 Qe6+ 18. Qxe6 Nxe6 19. Rxb5 Ke7
20. Rh5 $13 {See diagram below, I suspect this can be drawn, but you probably
get a better picture with the Syzygy or other tablebases } *[/pgn]
[D]2r5/4k3/4n3/7R/8/P1P5/KP5P/8 b - -
Code: Select all
FEN: 2r5/4k3/4n3/1R6/8/P1P5/KP5P/8 w - - 1 20
Stockfish_160528_x64_modern_fast:
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43/79 09:16 8 189 274k 14 709k +0,01 20.Rb7+ Kd6 21.Rh7 Rc4 22.Rh6 Kd7 23.Rh3 Rf4 24.b4 Ng5 25.Rg3 Ne4 26.Rd3+ Kc6 27.Kb3 Rf2 28.h3 Rh2 29.Re3 Kd5 30.Ka4 Nd6 31.Rd3+ Kc6 32.Rg3 Rh1 33.Rf3 Rh2 34.Kb3 Ne4 35.Rd3 Nd2+ 36.Ka4 Nc4 37.Rg3 Nd6 38.Kb3 Ne4 39.Rg6+ Kd5 40.Rh6 Nd2+ 41.Ka4 Nb1 42.b5 Nxc3+ 43.Kb4 Ne4 44.a4 Rb2+ 45.Ka5 Ra2 46.Rh5+ Kc4 47.Rh4 Kd5 48.Kb4 Ra1 49.Ka5
43/79 09:16 8 189 274k 14 709k +0,29 20.Rh5 Rc4 21.Kb3 Rf4 22.a4 Kd6 23.Ka3 Nc5 24.Rh6+ Kd7 25.Rh7+ Kd6 26.b4 Ne4 27.Rh3 Kc6 28.Kb3 Nd2+ 29.Kc2 Ne4 30.Rh8 Kd5 31.a5 Kc4 32.Rc8+ Kb5 33.Kd3 Rh4 34.Rb8+ Ka6 35.Rb6+ Ka7 36.Re6 Nf2+ 37.Kc2 Ne4 38.h3 Ng5 39.Re7+ Ka6 40.Rg7 Nf3 41.Rg6+ Ka7 42.Rg3 Ne5 43.Kd2 Nc4+ 44.Ke2 Nb2 45.Ke3 Ka6 46.Kf2 Na4 47.Ke1 Nb2 48.Rf3 Kb5 49.Kd2 Nc4+ 50.Kc2 Rh8 51.Rd3 Rh4 52.Kb3 Ka6 53.Rg3 Ka7 54.Ka4 Nb2+ 55.Ka3 Nc4+ 56.Kb3 Ka6 57.Rg6+ Ka7 58.Rg7+ Ka6
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44/79 12:28 10 955 507k 14 629k +0,05 20.Rb7+ Kd6 21.Rh7 Rc4 22.Rh6 Kd7 23.Rh5 Kc6 24.Rh3 Rf4 25.b4 Ng5 26.Rh6+ Kc7 27.Kb3 Ne4 28.Rh7+ Kb6 29.Rh3 Nd2+ 30.Kc2 Nc4 31.a4 Rf2+ 32.Kd3 Nb2+ 33.Ke3 Rf6 34.a5+ Kb5 35.Rh7 Kc4 36.Rc7+ Kb3 37.Kd4 Nc4 38.Rh7 Rf4+ 39.Kd5 Rf5+ 40.Ke6 Re5+ 41.Kf6 Kxc3 42.a6 Kxb4 43.a7 Ra5 44.h4 Ra6+ 45.Kg5 Nd6 46.h5 Ne4+ 47.Kh4 Kb5 48.h6 Kc6
44/79 12:28 10 955 507k 14 629k +0,29 20.Rh5 Rc4 21.Kb3 Rf4 22.a4 Kd6 23.Ka3 Nc5 24.Rh6+ Kd7 25.Rh7+ Kd6 26.b4 Ne4 27.Rh3 Kc6 28.Kb3 Nd2+ 29.Kc2 Ne4 30.Rh8 Kd5 31.a5 Kc4 32.Rc8+ Kb5 33.Kd3 Rh4 34.Rb8+ Ka6 35.Rb6+ Ka7 36.Re6 Nf2+ 37.Kc2 Ne4 38.h3 Ng5 39.Re5 Nf3 40.Rf5 Rxh3 41.b5 Ne1+ 42.Kb3 Nd3 43.Rf7+ Ka8 44.Rf8+ Ka7 45.Rf5 Kb7 46.Rd5 Nc1+ 47.Kb2 Ne2 48.Rc5 Nf4 49.Rf5 Nd3+ 50.Kc2 Ne1+ 51.Kd2 Nd3 52.Rd5