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How to implement KPK ?
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Sven Schüle



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PostPost subject: Re: How to implement KPK ?    Posted: Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:51 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote

hgm wrote:
Only as long as King advance has a smaller bonus than Pawn advance.

That was a basic assumption I made. In an earlier post I proposed to the OP to apply some factor to the "promotion distance", which implies exactly what you say. I also think that cases where a king move has in fact a lower DTM than advancing the pawn (while both moves win) are not harmful since I would regard winning by advancing the pawn as "making sufficient progress". I'm not even sure whether many such positions exist, or any at all.

hgm wrote:
The main point was that there are also positions where advancing the Pawn draws. Then a 1-ply search would not know what to do if you did not pay attention to the King.

No, we are only talking about which eval criteria to include for bitbase-won KPK positions to support progress. Moves advancing the pawn but resulting in a draw are out of scope. Bitbase-drawn positions get a draw score and nothing else. Our "positional" KPK evaluation is restricted to won positions only which we have to compare in order to quickly find a satisfying PV, i.e. one that results in winning by actually making progress (I don't think it's necessary to aim at the shortest path to mate, that would be a better task for an EGTB-based engine). Due to iterative deepening it does not matter much whether we do 1-ply or N-ply searches since each new iteration starts with the previous PV.

Only in positions where advancing the pawn draws but more than one king move wins it might become relevant to include king-related properties into the KPK evaluation. But I don't think it is necessary to be too sophisticated in this case since the search will quickly find those king moves which later on lead to a winning pawn advancement as early as possible, and I think it would even be able to do so without any king-specific term at all.

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How to implement KPK ? Chan Rasjid Thu Mar 21, 2013 3:43 am
      Re: How to implement KPK ? H.G.Muller Thu Mar 21, 2013 7:46 am
            Re: How to implement KPK ? Chan Rasjid Thu Mar 21, 2013 8:27 am
                  Re: How to implement KPK ? H.G.Muller Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:07 am
                        Re: How to implement KPK ? H.G.Muller Thu Mar 21, 2013 10:33 am
                        Re: How to implement KPK ? Chan Rasjid Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:10 pm
                              Re: How to implement KPK ? Don Dailey Tue Apr 02, 2013 6:56 pm
            Re: How to implement KPK ? Lucas Braesch Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:03 am
                  Re: How to implement KPK ? H.G.Muller Thu Mar 21, 2013 11:52 am
                        Re: How to implement KPK ? Lucas Braesch Thu Mar 21, 2013 12:04 pm
                        Re: How to implement KPK ? H.G.Muller Thu Mar 21, 2013 6:36 pm
                              Re: How to implement KPK ? H.G.Muller Thu Mar 21, 2013 9:00 pm
                              Re: How to implement KPK ? Chan Rasjid Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:15 am
                                    Re: How to implement KPK ? Evert Glebbeek Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:42 am
                                          Re: How to implement KPK ? Sven Schüle Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:12 pm
                                                Re: How to implement KPK ? Chan Rasjid Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:20 pm
                                                      Re: How to implement KPK ? Sven Schüle Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:42 pm
                                                            Re: How to implement KPK ? Chan Rasjid Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:03 pm
                                                                  Re: How to implement KPK ? Sven Schüle Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:29 pm
                                                      Re: How to implement KPK ? Wylie Garvin Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:50 pm
                                                            Re: How to implement KPK ? Chan Rasjid Sat Mar 30, 2013 1:53 pm
                                                Re: How to implement KPK ? Evert Glebbeek Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:03 pm
                                                      Re: How to implement KPK ? H.G.Muller Sat Mar 30, 2013 2:26 pm
                                                            Re: How to implement KPK ? Sven Schüle Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:38 pm
                                                                  Re: How to implement KPK ? H.G.Muller Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:13 pm
                                                                        Re: How to implement KPK ? Sven Schüle Sat Mar 30, 2013 8:58 pm
                                                                              Re: How to implement KPK ? H.G.Muller Sat Mar 30, 2013 10:58 pm
                                                                                    Re: How to implement KPK ? Sven Schüle Sat Mar 30, 2013 11:51 pm
                                                                                          Re: How to implement KPK ? H.G.Muller Sun Mar 31, 2013 7:35 am
                                                                                          Re: How to implement KPK ? Sven Schüle Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:02 am
                                                                                          Re: How to implement KPK ? H.G.Muller Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:09 am
                                                                                          Re: How to implement KPK ? Sven Schüle Sun Mar 31, 2013 9:13 am
                                                                                          Re: How to implement KPK ? Steven Edwards Mon May 13, 2013 2:14 am
                                                                                          Re: How to implement KPK ? Don Dailey Mon May 13, 2013 2:20 am
                                          Re: How to implement KPK ? Chan Rasjid Sat Mar 30, 2013 12:18 pm
                                    Re: How to implement KPK ? H.G.Muller Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:08 am
      Re: How to implement KPK ? Chan Rasjid Sun May 12, 2013 10:27 pm
            Re: How to implement KPK ? Ronald de Man Sun May 12, 2013 11:11 pm
                  Re: How to implement KPK ? Chan Rasjid Mon May 13, 2013 7:39 am
            Re: How to implement KPK ? Don Dailey Mon May 13, 2013 2:14 am
            Re: How to implement KPK ? Steven Edwards Tue May 14, 2013 7:19 am
                  Re: How to implement KPK ? Chan Rasjid Tue May 14, 2013 2:45 pm
                        Re: How to implement KPK ? Chan Rasjid Tue May 14, 2013 2:50 pm
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