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Steven Atkinson
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Post subject: Re: Scid vs PC TB Hits Posted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 1:37 pm |
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Yes - i'm stumped too. Shrdder Classic 4 has virtually identical UCI options (except no 'threads'), and works fine. fruit-2.3.1 also no problem. Here's my details incase it helps. (Of course my version has some changes against 4.7, but i tried vanilla 4.7 too, and it also works.)
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/home/steven#ls -l /usr/share/scid/nalimov/4/
total 30688
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 205549 May 9 2000 kbbk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 249216 May 9 2000 kbbk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13989 May 9 2000 kbkb.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 13989 May 9 2000 kbkb.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 187 May 9 2000 kbk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1503 May 9 2000 kbk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2451 May 9 2000 kbkn.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 14063 May 9 2000 kbkn.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 775143 May 9 2000 kbkp.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 369787 May 9 2000 kbkp.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 479960 May 9 2000 kbnk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 555601 May 9 2000 kbnk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1290857 May 9 2000 kbpk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1511181 May 9 2000 kbpk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 187 May 9 2000 knk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 186 May 9 2000 knk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2449 May 9 2000 knkn.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2449 May 9 2000 knkn.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1089865 May 9 2000 knkp.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 618587 May 9 2000 knkp.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1441 May 9 2000 knnk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1358 May 9 2000 knnk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1227423 May 9 2000 knpk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1547889 May 9 2000 knpk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 16589 May 9 2000 kpk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 17654 May 9 2000 kpk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1111988 May 9 2000 kpkp.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1116299 May 9 2000 kpkp.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 610687 May 9 2000 kppk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 384915 May 9 2000 kppk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 329501 May 9 2000 kqbk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 273890 May 9 2000 kqbk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 505366 May 9 2000 kqkb.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 401622 May 9 2000 kqkb.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5961 May 9 2000 kqk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7605 May 9 2000 kqk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 582758 May 9 2000 kqkn.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 413756 May 9 2000 kqkn.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1353920 May 9 2000 kqkp.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1103045 May 9 2000 kqkp.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 257632 May 9 2000 kqkq.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 257632 May 9 2000 kqkq.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 641119 May 9 2000 kqkr.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 562344 May 9 2000 kqkr.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 302140 May 9 2000 kqnk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 284437 May 9 2000 kqnk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 913558 May 9 2000 kqpk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 886731 May 9 2000 kqpk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 181425 May 9 2000 kqqk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 141855 May 9 2000 kqqk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 296182 May 9 2000 kqrk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 211121 May 9 2000 kqrk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 357372 May 9 2000 krbk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 278694 May 9 2000 krbk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 84137 May 9 2000 krkb.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 216606 May 9 2000 krkb.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7051 May 9 2000 krk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7059 May 9 2000 krk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 179806 May 9 2000 krkn.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 324996 May 9 2000 krkn.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1479273 May 9 2000 krkp.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1208181 May 9 2000 krkp.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 189818 May 9 2000 krkr.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 189818 May 9 2000 krkr.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 367838 May 9 2000 krnk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 308291 May 9 2000 krnk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1167451 May 9 2000 krpk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1197199 May 9 2000 krpk.nbw.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 201764 May 9 2000 krrk.nbb.emd
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 135331 May 9 2000 krrk.nbw.emd |
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Scid vs. PC <--> Engine communication log file
Engine: Shredder
Command: /usr/local/lib/ShredderClassic4/engines/ShredderClassic4Linux
Directory: /usr/local/lib/ShredderClassic4/engines/
Date: Fri Jun 29 23:30:21 +0000 2012
Note: Quiet engine (still no output); sending it initial commands.
Scid : uci
Engine: id name Shredder Classic 4
Engine: id author Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
Engine: option name Hash type spin min 4 max 1024 default 64
Engine: option name NalimovPath type string default <empty>
Engine: option name NalimovCache type spin min 1 max 256 default 1
Engine: option name OwnBook type check default true
Engine: option name Ponder type check default true
Engine: option name MultiPV type spin min 1 max 20 default 1
Engine: option name UCI_EngineAbout type string default Shredder Classic 4 by Stefan Meyer-Kahlen, www.shredderchess.com
Engine: option name UCI_Chess960 type check default false
Engine: option name UCI_AnalyseMode type check default false
Engine: option name UCI_ShowCurrLine type check default false
Engine: option name UCI_ShowRefutations type check default false
Engine: option name UCI_LimitStrength type check default false
Engine: option name UCI_Elo type spin min 850 max 2600 default 1400
Engine: option name UCI_SetPositionValue type string default <empty>
Engine: option name UCI_ShredderbasesPath type string default /shredderbases/bases.ini
Engine: option name Keep Hash Tables type check default true
Engine: option name Position Learning type check default true
Engine: option name Use Opening Advice type check default true
Engine: option name Use Shredderbases type combo default Always var Never var LikeTB var Normal var Always
Engine: option name Use Tablebases type combo default Normal var Never var Late var Normal var Early
Engine: option name Queen Extra type spin min -100 max 100 default 0
Engine: option name Rook Extra type spin min -100 max 100 default 0
Engine: option name Bishop Extra type spin min -100 max 100 default 0
Engine: option name Knight Extra type spin min -100 max 100 default 0
Engine: option name Pawn Extra type spin min -100 max 100 default 0
Engine: option name Queen Extra (Computer) type spin min -100 max 100 default 0
Engine: option name Rook Extra (Computer) type spin min -100 max 100 default 0
Engine: option name Bishop Extra (Computer) type spin min -100 max 100 default 0
Engine: option name Knight Extra (Computer) type spin min -100 max 100 default 0
Engine: option name Pawn Extra (Computer) type spin min -100 max 100 default 0
Engine: option name Contempt type spin min -300 max 300 default 0
Engine: option name Clear Hash type button
Engine: option name Clear PosLearning type button
Engine: option name King Safety Percent type spin min 25 max 400 default 100
Engine: option name Center Control Percent type spin min 25 max 400 default 100
Engine: option name Pawn Structure Percent type spin min 25 max 400 default 100
Engine: option name Passed Pawns Percent type spin min 25 max 400 default 100
Engine: option name Bishop Pair Extra type spin min -50 max 50 default 0
Engine: option name Time Buffer (sec) type spin min 0 max 60 default 1
Engine: option name Time Usage Percent type spin min 25 max 400 default 100
Engine: uciok
Scid : isready
Engine: registration checking
Engine: registration error
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Hash value 64
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name OwnBook value true
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name MultiPV value 1
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name UCI_LimitStrength value false
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name UCI_Elo value 1400
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name NalimovPath value /usr/share/scid/nalimov/4
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name NalimovCache value 5
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name UCI_ShredderbasesPath value /usr/local/lib/ShredderClassic4/engines/
Scid : isready
Engine: info string shredderbases with 0 pieces found (0 MB)
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Keep Hash Tables value true
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Position Learning value true
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Use Opening Advice value true
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Use Shredderbases value Always
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Use Tablebases value Normal
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Queen Extra value 0
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Rook Extra value 0
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Bishop Extra value 0
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Knight Extra value 0
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Pawn Extra value 0
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Queen Extra (Computer) value 0
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Rook Extra (Computer) value 0
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Bishop Extra (Computer) value 0
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Knight Extra (Computer) value 0
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Pawn Extra (Computer) value 0
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Contempt value 0
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name King Safety Percent value 100
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Center Control Percent value 100
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Pawn Structure Percent value 100
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Passed Pawns Percent value 100
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Bishop Pair Extra value 0
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Time Buffer (sec) value 1
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : setoption name Time Usage Percent value 100
Scid : isready
Engine: readyok
Scid : position fen 8/3bk3/8/p2p1pp1/1p4P1/1P2PP2/P1N2K2/8 w - - 0 1
Scid : go infinite
Engine: info string <<<ENGINE NOT REGISTERED!>>>
Engine: info depth 1 seldepth 2 time 1 score cp -7 nodes 2 nps 1000 hashfull 0 pv g4f5 d7f5
Engine: info nodes 23
Engine: info depth 2 seldepth 2 time 2 score cp -7 nodes 40 nps 20000 hashfull 0 pv g4f5 d7f5
Engine: info nodes 86
Engine: info depth 3 seldepth 5 time 2 score cp 37 nodes 149 nps 74500 hashfull 0 pv g4f5 d7f5 c2d4 f5b1
Engine: info nodes 219
Engine: info depth 4 seldepth 10 time 3 score cp 31 nodes 522 nps 174000 hashfull 0 pv g4f5 d7f5 c2d4 e7f6 f2e2
Engine: info nodes 620
Engine: info depth 5 seldepth 8 time 4 score cp 36 nodes 933 nps 233250 hashfull 0 pv g4f5 d7f5 c2d4 f5d7 f2e2 e7d6
Engine: info nodes 1152
Engine: info depth 6 seldepth 9 time 5 score cp 39 nodes 1727 nps 345400 hashfull 0 pv g4f5 d7f5 c2d4 f5d7 f2e2 e7f6 e2d3
Engine: info nodes 2315
Engine: info depth 7 seldepth 11 time 8 score cp 33 nodes 3433 nps 429125 hashfull 0 pv g4f5 d7f5 c2d4 f5d7 f2e2 e7f6 e2d3 f6e5
Engine: info nodes 4185
Engine: info depth 8 seldepth 8
Engine: info depth 8 seldepth 12 time 13 score cp 15 nodes 6894 nps 530307 hashfull 0 pv g4f5 d7f5 c2d4 f5d7 f2e2 e7f6 e2d2 f6e5 d2d3
Engine: info nodes 8695
Engine: info depth 9 seldepth 9
Engine: info depth 9 seldepth 14 time 26 score cp 27 nodes 15589 nps 599576 hashfull 1 pv g4f5 d7f5 c2d4 f5d7 f2e1 e7d6 e1d2 d6c5 d2d3 d7b5 d4b5 c5b5
Engine: info nodes 19017
Engine: info depth 10 seldepth 10
Engine: info depth 10 seldepth 16 time 48 score cp 13 nodes 31879 nps 664145 hashfull 3 pv g4f5 d7f5 c2d4 f5d7 f2g3 e7f6 f3f4 g5g4 g3h4 f6g6 h4g3
Engine: info nodes 38554
Engine: info depth 11 seldepth 11
Engine: info depth 11 seldepth 16 time 76 score cp 18 nodes 54806 nps 721131 hashfull 6 pv g4f5 d7f5 c2d4 f5d7 f2e2 e7d6 f3f4 g5g4 e2f1 d7e8 f1f2 e8g6
Engine: info nodes 63349
Engine: info depth 12 seldepth 12
Engine: info depth 12 seldepth 18 time 117 score cp 11 nodes 90486 nps 773384 hashfull 10 pv g4f5 d7f5 c2d4 f5d7 f2e2 e7d6 e2d3 d6e5 d3d2 d7e8 d2e2 e8d7
Engine: info nodes 128658
Engine: info depth 13 seldepth 13
Engine: info depth 13 seldepth 20 time 285 score cp -18 nodes 225163 nps 790045 hashfull 28 pv g4f5 d7f5 c2d4 f5b1 f3f4 g5f4 e3f4 b1a2 d4c6 e7d6 c6a5 a2b1 f2e3 b1f5 a5b7 d6e6
Engine: info depth 13 seldepth 20 time 422 score cp 0 nodes 334060 nps 791611 hashfull 41 pv f2g3 f5g4 f3g4 e7f6 c2d4 f6e5 g3f3 e5f6 f3g3 f6e5 g3f3 e5f6 f3g3
Engine: info nodes 339978
Engine: info depth 14 seldepth 14
Engine: info depth 14 seldepth 20 time 519 score cp 0 nodes 416122 nps 801776 hashfull 50 pv f2g3 f5g4 f3g4 e7f6 c2d4 f6e5 g3f3 e5f6 f3g3 f6e5 g3f3 e5f6 f3g3
Engine: info currmovenumber 2 currmove g4f5
Engine: info currmovenumber 3 currmove f3f4
Engine: info currmovenumber 4 currmove a2a3
Engine: info currmovenumber 5 currmove c2d4
Engine: info currmovenumber 6 currmove e3e4
Engine: info currmovenumber 7 currmove a2a4
Engine: info currmovenumber 8 currmove f2e2
Engine: info currmovenumber 9 currmove f2g2
Engine: info currmovenumber 10 currmove f2f1
Engine: info currmovenumber 11 currmove f2g1
Engine: info currmovenumber 12 currmove c2e1
Engine: info currmovenumber 13 currmove f2e1
Engine: info currmovenumber 14 currmove c2b4
Engine: info currmovenumber 15 currmove c2a3
Engine: info currmovenumber 16 currmove c2a1
Engine: info nodes 511186
Engine: info depth 15 seldepth 15
Engine: info currmovenumber 1 currmove f2g3
Engine: info depth 15 seldepth 26 time 840 score cp 0 nodes 660145 nps 785886 hashfull 80 tbhits 2 pv f2g3 f5g4 f3g4 e7f6 c2d4 f6e5 g3f3 e5f6 f3g3 f6e5 g3f3 e5f6 f3g3
Engine: info currmovenumber 2 currmove g4f5
Engine: info currmovenumber 3 currmove f3f4
Engine: info currmovenumber 4 currmove a2a3
Engine: info currmovenumber 5 currmove c2d4
Engine: info currmovenumber 6 currmove e3e4
Engine: info currmovenumber 7 currmove a2a4
Engine: info currmovenumber 8 currmove f2e2
Engine: info currmovenumber 9 currmove f2g2
Engine: info currmovenumber 10 currmove f2f1
Engine: info currmovenumber 11 currmove f2g1
Engine: info currmovenumber 12 currmove c2e1
Engine: info currmovenumber 13 currmove f2e1
Engine: info currmovenumber 14 currmove c2b4
Engine: info currmovenumber 15 currmove c2a3
Engine: info currmovenumber 16 currmove c2a1
Engine: info nodes 824770
Engine: info depth 16 seldepth 16
Engine: info currmovenumber 1 currmove f2g3
Engine: info depth 16 seldepth 27 time 1401 score cp 0 nodes 1101210 nps 786017 hashfull 124 tbhits 4 pv f2g3 f5g4 f3g4 e7f6 c2d4 f6e5 g3f3 e5f6 f3g3 f6e5 g3f3 e5f6 f3g3
Engine: info currmovenumber 2 currmove g4f5
Engine: info currmovenumber 3 currmove f3f4
Engine: info hashfull 186 nps 774667 tbhits 10
Engine: info currmovenumber 3 currmove f3f4
Engine: info depth 16 seldepth 27 time 2580 score cp 12 nodes 2033404 nps 788141 hashfull 228 tbhits 11 pv f3f4 e7f6 g4f5 d7f5 f4g5 f6g5 c2d4 f5b1 d4c6 g5f5 c6a5 f5e4 a5b7 d5d4 b7c5 e4d5 c5a6 d4e3 f2e3
Engine: info currmovenumber 4 currmove a2a3
Engine: info currmovenumber 5 currmove e3e4
Engine: info currmovenumber 6 currmove c2d4
Engine: info currmovenumber 7 currmove a2a4
Engine: info currmovenumber 8 currmove f2e2
Engine: info currmovenumber 9 currmove f2g2
Engine: info currmovenumber 10 currmove f2f1
Engine: info currmovenumber 11 currmove f2g1
Engine: info currmovenumber 12 currmove f2e1
Engine: info currmovenumber 13 currmove c2e1
Engine: info currmovenumber 14 currmove c2b4
Engine: info currmovenumber 15 currmove c2a3
Engine: info currmovenumber 16 currmove c2a1
Engine: info nodes 2165610
Engine: info depth 17 seldepth 17
Engine: info currmovenumber 1 currmove f3f4
Engine: info hashfull 292 nps 795032 tbhits 21
Engine: info depth 17 seldepth 28 time 3834 score cp 12 nodes 3045030 nps 794217 hashfull 305 tbhits 22 pv f3f4 e7f6 g4f5 d7f5 c2d4 g5f4 e3f4 f5b1 d4c6 b1a2 c6a5 d5d4 f2e2 a2b1 a5c6 d4d3 e2e3 b1c2
Engine: info currmovenumber 2 currmove f2g3
Engine: info currmovenumber 3 currmove g4f5
Engine: info currmovenumber 4 currmove a2a3
Engine: info currmovenumber 5 currmove e3e4
Engine: info currmovenumber 6 currmove c2d4
Engine: info currmovenumber 7 currmove a2a4
Engine: info currmovenumber 8 currmove f2g2
Engine: info currmovenumber 9 currmove f2e2
Engine: info currmovenumber 10 currmove f2f1
Engine: info currmovenumber 11 currmove f2e1
Engine: info currmovenumber 12 currmove f2g1
Engine: info currmovenumber 13 currmove c2e1
Engine: info currmovenumber 14 currmove c2b4
Engine: info currmovenumber 15 currmove c2a3
Engine: info currmovenumber 16 currmove c2a1
Engine: info nodes 3459679
Engine: info depth 18 seldepth 18
Engine: info currmovenumber 1 currmove f3f4
Engine: info hashfull 396 nps 802642 tbhits 99
Scid : stop
Scid : quit |
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Scid vs PC TB Hits |
Ted Summers |
Thu Jun 28, 2012 1:04 pm |
Re: Scid vs PC TB Hits |
Steven Atkinson |
Thu Jun 28, 2012 9:33 pm |
Re: Scid vs PC TB Hits |
Ted Summers |
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Re: Scid vs PC TB Hits |
Ted Summers |
Thu Jun 28, 2012 11:52 pm |
Re: Scid vs PC TB Hits |
Steven Atkinson |
Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:54 am |
Re: Scid vs PC TB Hits |
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Ted Summers |
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Re: Scid vs PC TB Hits |
Steven Atkinson |
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Ted Summers |
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Link to download Shredderbases. |
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