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Robert Hyatt



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PostPost subject: Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument?    Posted: Sun Jun 24, 2012 1:49 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
Houdini wrote:
Peter Skinner wrote:
Houdini wrote:
bob wrote:
The only dishonesty shown here is yours. You have not found a single post by me supporting this "anything-goes" event. If people want to participate, they are free to do so. I will not, myself, for rather obvious reasons previously stated...

I think the past tournament rules have worked just fine, myself...

You've developed a bad habit of not reading very well the posts you reply to.
I didn't say that you are *supporting* this tournament.
I said that you (and Don, and Peter, and others) usually pretend that this kind of thing is the *only* alternative to the current ICGA fiasco. That if one abandons the requirement that all entries be 100% original, one would inevitably get the travesty of Peter's "anything-goes" tournament.

Robert


I've invited you to make some suggestions as to rule changes, but I haven't heard a peep.

If it's a travesty, please suggest something more to _everyone's_ liking.

I have suggested twice before on this forum - even in a direct answer to you - the following:

1) An intelligent choice of participants to generate maximum interest for the tournament.
2) Played on powerful, uniform hardware so that the competition is fair to every engine (no doping!) and doesn't degenerate into a "cluster war".
3) With a serious match format. For example first a preliminary double-round RR tournament, followed by a long match (24 to 48 games) between the top 2 participants.
4) Played with a fixed opening book or set of starting positions selected for the tournament, so that the competition doesn't degenerate in an opening book war. For maximum fairness also play every position with reversed colors.
5) Transmitted live online 24/7 with possibility of viewers to chat with the engine authors - like was done at Chessbomb for TCEC.

This is not about some "rule changes" to what you propose, this is a fundamentally different tournament format.

Robert


Nobody cares about "uniform platform". Such events have existed in the past, and died due to complete lack of interest. What is the point of recycling an old (and failed) idea? Which platform? Single core? Multiple core? NUMA? GPUs? No custom hardware? Sounds like "fun"...
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How about we settle the WCCC argument? Peter Skinner Mon Jun 18, 2012 10:28 pm
      Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Ian Osgood Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:41 am
            Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Peter Skinner Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:09 am
                  Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Don Dailey Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:46 am
                        Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Peter Skinner Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:16 am
                        Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Sam Hamilton Tue Jun 19, 2012 5:18 am
                              Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Gabriel LEPERLIER Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:26 am
                                    Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Ferdinand Mosca Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:08 am
                                          Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Peter Skinner Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:33 am
                                                Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? John M. Thompson Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:39 am
                                                      Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Peter Skinner Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:41 am
                                                Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Robert F. Kamerer Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:19 pm
                                    Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Don Dailey Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:26 pm
                                          Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Kai Laskos Tue Jun 19, 2012 1:20 pm
                                                Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Peter Skinner Tue Jun 19, 2012 3:59 pm
                              Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Don Dailey Tue Jun 19, 2012 12:17 pm
                                    Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Ed Schroder Tue Jun 19, 2012 6:25 pm
                                          Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Gabriel LEPERLIER Tue Jun 19, 2012 7:52 pm
                                                Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? H.G.Muller Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:07 pm
                                                      Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Gabriel LEPERLIER Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:15 pm
                                                      Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Peter Skinner Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:29 pm
                                                            Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Gabriel LEPERLIER Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:31 pm
                                                                  Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Don Dailey Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:49 pm
                                                                        Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Peter Skinner Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:51 pm
                                                            Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Harvey Williamson Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:32 pm
                                                                  Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Peter Skinner Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:35 pm
                                                                  Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Gabriel LEPERLIER Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:42 pm
                                                                        Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Harvey Williamson Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:43 pm
                                                                              Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Peter Skinner Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:50 pm
                                                                                    Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Don Dailey Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:55 pm
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                                                            Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? H.G.Muller Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:38 pm
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                                                Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Don Dailey Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:09 pm
                                                      Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Gabriel LEPERLIER Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:16 pm
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                                                                                    Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Gabriel LEPERLIER Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:57 pm
                                                                                    Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Don Dailey Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:57 pm
                                                                                          Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? H.G.Muller Tue Jun 19, 2012 8:58 pm
                                                                                          Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Gabriel LEPERLIER Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:00 pm
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                                                                                          Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Jimmy Huggins Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:23 pm
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                                                      Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Jeroen Noomen Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:03 pm
                                                            Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Miguel A. Ballicora Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:13 pm
                                                                  Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Jeroen Noomen Tue Jun 19, 2012 2:34 pm
                                                                  Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Chris Whittington Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:39 pm
                                                                        Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Harvey Williamson Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:40 pm
                                                                              Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Peter Skinner Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:50 pm
                                                                                    Re: How about we settle the WCCC argument? Harvey Williamson Tue Jun 19, 2012 4:57 pm
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