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I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship?
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Julien MARCEL



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PostPost subject: Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship    Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 5:34 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
chrisw wrote:
gleperlier wrote:
gerold wrote:

If testers in this forum and other forums test Houdini and post the results and allow games to be downloaded is that breaking the copyright if copyright holder did not approve it first.


Please stop trolling.

If one don't understand the difference between posting a game and publishing an Engine analysis on a website for the most important event in Chess, then Rolling Eyes


Not specifically referring to the above but there seems to be some confusion here. The "personal use" concept comes from the music and video industry, where broadcast to an audience is excluded by the "personal use" term.

But video and audio is different to software, the output of a video/audio CD is the copyright material, the song, the film or whatever and you would have no licence to distribute the copyright material to others again and again. The output of a program however is not copyright to the developer, his copyright extends to the code and support data only. Thus Robert Houdart, or anyone else, has no right to prevent use of the program output in any way, "personal use" terms or not.


This *might* (I say might because I'm not a specialist of compared law, so my knowledge of the anglo-saxon law is very superficial) be true in anglo-saxons countries, Chris, but not in other countries. For example in continental Europe the copyright laws for software are exactly the same as the ones used for books and movies/songs. And in Belgium, where I believe Robert lives, the law is nearly a duplicate of the French one (Belgium's law is based on Napoléon's civil code, just like France). They are divided in two categories:

- moral rights (those are actually attenuated, when compared to those for books/movies/songs, but we won't discuss them here).
- patrimonial rights. Those ones are subdivided into:
* reproduction rights
* representation rights
* traduction, adaptation rights
* selling rights

In our case here, the problem concerns the representation rights. They are often defined as "the communication of the work to the public by any mean" (ex: demonstrating a software during a fair, conferences, and so on...). This right is only suspended for the "private representations, and exclusively inside the family circle." This is not exactly what this FIDE event is. Wink

Other accepted exceptions are:
- analyses and quotations of the work;
- press reviews;
- broadcast to the public for pure information about the work;
- parody, mockery.

So the question is: is broadcasting Houdini's output to the public a representation of Houdini? I don't think so. An illegal representation of Houdini would be to let the public of an event use Houdini on public computers.
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I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship? Jorge Pichard Sat May 12, 2012 12:15 pm
      Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Julien MARCEL Sat May 12, 2012 12:50 pm
            Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Gabriel LEPERLIER Sat May 12, 2012 1:07 pm
                  Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Albert Silver Sat May 12, 2012 2:35 pm
                        Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Gabriel LEPERLIER Sat May 12, 2012 2:46 pm
                              Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Albert Silver Sat May 12, 2012 3:30 pm
                                    Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Robert Houdart Sat May 12, 2012 3:59 pm
                                          Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Chris Whittington Sat May 12, 2012 4:10 pm
                                                Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Dr.Wael Deeb Sat May 12, 2012 4:53 pm
                                          Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Mike Scheidl Sat May 12, 2012 4:36 pm
                                          Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship gerold daniels Sat May 12, 2012 5:02 pm
                                                Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Gabriel LEPERLIER Sat May 12, 2012 5:04 pm
                                                      Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Chris Whittington Sat May 12, 2012 5:14 pm
                                                            Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Julien MARCEL Sat May 12, 2012 5:34 pm
                                                                  Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Miguel A. Ballicora Sat May 12, 2012 5:50 pm
                                                                  Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Chris Whittington Sat May 12, 2012 6:15 pm
                                                                        Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Julien MARCEL Sat May 12, 2012 6:30 pm
                                                                              Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Chris Whittington Sat May 12, 2012 6:47 pm
                                                                                    Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Julien MARCEL Sat May 12, 2012 6:54 pm
                                                                                          Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Gabriel LEPERLIER Sat May 12, 2012 6:59 pm
                                                                                          Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Graham Banks Sat May 12, 2012 7:04 pm
                                                                              Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Don Dailey Sat May 12, 2012 7:04 pm
                                                                                    Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Julien MARCEL Sat May 12, 2012 7:14 pm
                                                                                    Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Chris Whittington Sat May 12, 2012 7:34 pm
                                                                                          Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Julien MARCEL Sat May 12, 2012 7:38 pm
                                                                  Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Ronald de Man Sat May 12, 2012 6:54 pm
                                                      Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Alex Brown Sat May 12, 2012 6:12 pm
                                                            Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Gabriel LEPERLIER Sat May 12, 2012 6:14 pm
                                          Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Uri Blass Sat May 12, 2012 6:32 pm
      Re: I don't see the analysis of Houdini in this Championship Dr.Wael Deeb Sat May 12, 2012 4:55 pm
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