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When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments?
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Charles Roberson



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PostPost subject: Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments?    Posted: Sat May 12, 2012 2:02 am Reply to topic Reply with quote
LudiBuda wrote:
I couldn't agree less with you on this.
Evaluation of the engine is of almost no importance for the ELO strength. Just try to modify Ivanhoe by putting random weights for the evaluation terms. You will still have a super strong engine.
Evaluation has great influence on the playing style, but lets not kid ourselves. Most people care about ELO and ELO only.


Wow, talk about not understanding your experiment.

About 3 or 4 years ago, I devised a test to reveal the importance of modern eval vs search. The results were drastic and I reported them in the tech forum here. Bob Hyatt independently verified the results with a greater number of games for accuracy and the results were very similar.

In the end, an excellent eval vs only piece counting is worth 700 to 1000 Elo or more. The piece counting programming (all else
identical) scored only 1% vs the full version of the program. The reduced eval program gained 3 ply in search. So, it gained Elo. Add that gain to the 700 performance difference and you see that eval is paramount.
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When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Teodoriu Catalin Tue May 01, 2012 5:46 pm
      Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Robert Houdart Tue May 01, 2012 6:21 pm
            Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Teodoriu Catalin Tue May 01, 2012 6:56 pm
            Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? S.Taylor Fri May 04, 2012 9:44 am
            Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ed Schroder Fri May 04, 2012 12:34 pm
                  Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Robert Houdart Fri May 04, 2012 6:20 pm
                        Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Graham Banks Fri May 04, 2012 6:58 pm
                              Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Dr.Wael Deeb Fri May 04, 2012 7:25 pm
                              Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Robert Houdart Fri May 04, 2012 7:38 pm
                        Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Alexander Schmidt Fri May 04, 2012 7:48 pm
                              Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Robert Houdart Fri May 04, 2012 8:10 pm
                                    Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Alexander Schmidt Fri May 04, 2012 8:31 pm
                              Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Dr.Wael Deeb Fri May 04, 2012 8:48 pm
                        Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Miguel A. Ballicora Fri May 04, 2012 8:20 pm
                              Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Robert Houdart Fri May 04, 2012 8:43 pm
                                    Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ed Schroder Sat May 05, 2012 9:47 am
                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Robert Houdart Sat May 05, 2012 9:57 am
                                                Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Graham Banks Sat May 05, 2012 10:03 am
                                                Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ed Schroder Sat May 05, 2012 10:27 am
                                                      Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Mike Scheidl Sat May 05, 2012 10:42 am
                                                            Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ed Schroder Sat May 05, 2012 11:41 am
                                                                  Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Mike Scheidl Sat May 05, 2012 12:16 pm
                                                                        Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ed Schroder Sat May 05, 2012 6:45 pm
                                                                              Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Mike Scheidl Sun May 06, 2012 4:23 am
                                                                                    Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Uri Blass Sun May 06, 2012 5:46 am
                                                                                    Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ed Schroder Sun May 06, 2012 2:27 pm
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                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Graham Banks Sun May 06, 2012 8:24 pm
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                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Neel Basant Mon May 07, 2012 3:40 am
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Dr.Wael Deeb Mon May 07, 2012 7:48 am
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Neel Basant Mon May 07, 2012 9:02 am
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Dr.Wael Deeb Mon May 07, 2012 2:24 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Sedat Canbaz Mon May 07, 2012 4:50 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? S.Taylor Mon May 07, 2012 9:27 am
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Dr.Wael Deeb Mon May 07, 2012 2:23 pm
                                                      Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ingo Bauer Sat May 05, 2012 11:42 am
                                                            Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ed Schroder Sat May 05, 2012 12:08 pm
                                                                  Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ingo Bauer Sat May 05, 2012 12:20 pm
                                                                        Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ed Schroder Sat May 05, 2012 3:41 pm
                                                                              Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ingo Bauer Sat May 05, 2012 4:55 pm
                                                                                    Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Miguel A. Ballicora Sat May 05, 2012 5:06 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ingo Bauer Sat May 05, 2012 5:14 pm
                                                                                    Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Harvey Williamson Sat May 05, 2012 5:10 pm
                                                                                    Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Uri Blass Sat May 05, 2012 5:16 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ingo Bauer Sat May 05, 2012 5:24 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Miguel A. Ballicora Sat May 05, 2012 5:55 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Harvey Williamson Sat May 05, 2012 6:00 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Miguel A. Ballicora Sat May 05, 2012 6:14 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Harvey Williamson Sat May 05, 2012 6:16 pm
                                                                                    Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Sam Hamilton Sat May 05, 2012 6:07 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ingo Bauer Sat May 05, 2012 6:25 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Miguel A. Ballicora Sat May 05, 2012 6:28 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ingo Bauer Sat May 05, 2012 6:46 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Miguel A. Ballicora Sat May 05, 2012 7:10 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ingo Bauer Sat May 05, 2012 7:22 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Miguel A. Ballicora Sat May 05, 2012 8:42 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ingo Bauer Sat May 05, 2012 8:48 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Graham Banks Sat May 05, 2012 7:47 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ingo Bauer Sat May 05, 2012 7:58 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Damir Desevac Sat May 05, 2012 8:01 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Gabriel LEPERLIER Sat May 05, 2012 8:02 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Graham Banks Sat May 05, 2012 8:03 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ingo Bauer Sat May 05, 2012 8:18 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Graham Banks Sat May 05, 2012 8:21 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ingo Bauer Sat May 05, 2012 8:23 pm
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Harvey Williamson Sat May 05, 2012 8:26 pm
                                                                  Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Sam Hamilton Sat May 05, 2012 2:08 pm
                                                                        Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Graham Banks Sat May 05, 2012 2:35 pm
                                                                              Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Chris Whittington Sat May 05, 2012 2:46 pm
                                                                                    Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? George Speight Sun May 06, 2012 12:23 am
                                                                        Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ed Schroder Sat May 05, 2012 3:53 pm
                                                                              Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Albert Silver Sat May 05, 2012 4:02 pm
                                                                  Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Uri Blass Sat May 05, 2012 2:55 pm
                                                                        Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Uri Blass Sat May 05, 2012 3:04 pm
                                                                              Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ed Schroder Sat May 05, 2012 4:08 pm
                                                                        Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Miguel A. Ballicora Sat May 05, 2012 3:04 pm
                                                                              Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Harvey Williamson Sat May 05, 2012 3:05 pm
                                                                                    Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ed Schroder Sat May 05, 2012 4:20 pm
                                                                                    Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Alex Newman Sat May 05, 2012 5:16 pm
                                                                  Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? H.G.Muller Sat May 05, 2012 9:28 pm
                        Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Ed Schroder Fri May 04, 2012 8:38 pm
                              Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Robert Houdart Fri May 04, 2012 8:44 pm
                              Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Dr. Peter Martan Sat May 05, 2012 3:24 am
                                    Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Robert Houdart Sat May 05, 2012 9:12 am
                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Teodoriu Catalin Sat May 05, 2012 10:27 am
                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Engin Üstün Thu May 10, 2012 9:13 pm
                                                Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Engin Üstün Thu May 10, 2012 9:15 pm
                                                      Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Albert Silver Thu May 10, 2012 9:38 pm
                                                            Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Don Dailey Thu May 10, 2012 9:48 pm
                                                                  Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Mike Scheidl Fri May 11, 2012 3:35 am
                                                                        Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Don Dailey Fri May 11, 2012 4:11 am
                                                                              Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Mike Scheidl Fri May 11, 2012 4:23 am
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                                                                              Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Alex Newman Fri May 11, 2012 5:11 pm
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                                                                                    Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Charles Roberson Sat May 12, 2012 2:02 am
                                                                                          Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Alex Newman Sat May 12, 2012 5:25 pm
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                              Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Robert Houdart Sat May 05, 2012 9:18 am
                              Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? George Speight Mon May 07, 2012 5:21 pm
                  Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Sedat Canbaz Sun May 06, 2012 4:22 am
      Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? S.Taylor Sat May 05, 2012 11:08 pm
            Re: When will we see HOUDINI in official tournaments? Alex Brown Sat May 05, 2012 11:35 pm
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