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Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NOW...
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Mark Schreiber



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PostPost subject: Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO    Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 7:45 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
lkaufman wrote:
mschribr wrote:
pichy wrote:
mschribr wrote:
pichy wrote:

So Mr.Yonenaga Vs Bonkras is compared to David Levy vs Deep Thought 1989, in that case we are getting very close to conquer the best Shogi player.

From 1989 to 1997 is 8 years. So we are 8 years away or 2020, which was my guess when a computer will beat the world Shogi champion.


Sorry I don't agree with you it is much closer than what you think. Bonkras using parallel clusters will defeast the current champion either next year or the following like Larry Kaufman predicted. Wink

Do I have this right? Larry Kaufman and you, Jorge Pichard, both say before 2 years or May 6, 2014 a computer will beat 1 of the top 3 professional (GM) players Watanabe, Habu or Moriuchi in a 3 hour game. I guess if any other player beats the computer then your prediction was not correct.


Of course we are talking about a match, not just a single game, since almost anything can happen in one game. Unfortunately the odds that such a match will actually be played are slim, given the ridiculous sums of money being demanded for a titleholder to play such a match.

But you also predict that after May 6, 2014 a computer would always win a match with any Shogi player. Can a match be 2 or 3 games? What about the second DenOu-sen, a team match of 5 professional players versus 5 computers? The 5 strongest computers are playing in that team match. Would you agree the 5 strongest computers would always beat any 5 professional players?
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Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NOW... Jorge Pichard Mon Apr 30, 2012 2:18 pm
      Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Tue May 01, 2012 4:21 pm
            Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Jorge Pichard Tue May 01, 2012 4:59 pm
                  Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Dan Honeycutt Tue May 01, 2012 6:10 pm
                  Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Tue May 01, 2012 7:07 pm
                        Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Jorge Pichard Tue May 01, 2012 7:24 pm
                              Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Tue May 01, 2012 8:57 pm
                                    Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Jorge Pichard Tue May 01, 2012 9:16 pm
                                    Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Jorge Pichard Tue May 01, 2012 9:17 pm
                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Tue May 01, 2012 9:38 pm
                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Tue May 01, 2012 9:47 pm
                                                Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Jorge Pichard Tue May 01, 2012 10:06 pm
                                                      Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Tue May 01, 2012 10:44 pm
                                                      Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Sun May 06, 2012 5:30 pm
                                                            Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Larry Kaufman Sun May 06, 2012 6:46 pm
                                                                  Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Sun May 06, 2012 7:45 pm
                                                                        Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Larry Kaufman Sun May 06, 2012 7:56 pm
                                                                              Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Sun May 06, 2012 9:45 pm
                                                                                    Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Larry Kaufman Sun May 06, 2012 10:11 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Sun May 06, 2012 11:00 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Larry Kaufman Sun May 06, 2012 11:10 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Jorge Pichard Mon May 07, 2012 12:44 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Larry Kaufman Mon May 07, 2012 1:57 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Mon May 07, 2012 2:51 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Larry Kaufman Mon May 07, 2012 3:28 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Mon May 07, 2012 3:56 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO H.G.Muller Mon May 07, 2012 9:16 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Jorge Pichard Mon May 07, 2012 10:39 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO H.G.Muller Mon May 07, 2012 11:00 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO H.G.Muller Mon May 07, 2012 11:51 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Larry Kaufman Mon May 07, 2012 4:00 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO H.G.Muller Mon May 07, 2012 4:52 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Jorge Pichard Mon May 07, 2012 8:51 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO H.G.Muller Mon May 07, 2012 9:01 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry are you installing GPSUSI correctly? Jorge Pichard Mon May 07, 2012 10:07 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry are you installing GPSUSI correctly? Larry Kaufman Tue May 08, 2012 12:15 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry are you installing GPSUSI correctly? Larry Kaufman Tue May 08, 2012 12:22 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry what version of your GPSShogi you installed? Jorge Pichard Tue May 08, 2012 2:05 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry what version of your GPSShogi you installed? Larry Kaufman Tue May 08, 2012 2:21 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry you can play with this Shogi Server NOW! Jorge Pichard Tue May 08, 2012 2:31 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry you can play with this Shogi Server NOW! Bernhard Maerz Tue May 08, 2012 11:29 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry you can play with this Shogi Server NOW! Jorge Pichard Tue May 08, 2012 1:55 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry what version of your GPSShogi you installed? Jorge Pichard Tue May 08, 2012 2:59 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry what version of your GPSShogi you installed? H.G.Muller Tue May 08, 2012 7:58 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry , I believe that I found your problem! Jorge Pichard Tue May 08, 2012 4:21 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry , I believe that I found your problem! H.G.Muller Tue May 08, 2012 5:32 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry , I believe that I found your problem! Jorge Pichard Tue May 08, 2012 5:56 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry , I believe that I found your problem! H.G.Muller Wed May 09, 2012 8:19 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry this is what I did ............................... Jorge Pichard Thu May 10, 2012 1:10 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry this is what I did ............................... H.G.Muller Thu May 10, 2012 6:40 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry this is what I did ............................... Bernhard Maerz Thu May 10, 2012 6:54 am
                                                                                          Re: Larry this is what I did ............................... H.G.Muller Thu May 10, 2012 10:05 am
                                                                                          Re: How strong is your sdk09s Shogi engine? Jorge Pichard Thu May 10, 2012 11:17 am
                                                                                          Re: How strong is your sdk09s Shogi engine? H.G.Muller Thu May 10, 2012 11:33 am
                                                                                          Re: How strong is your sdk09s Shogi engine? Bernhard Maerz Thu May 10, 2012 12:28 pm
                                                                                          Re: How strong is your sdk09s Shogi engine? H.G.Muller Thu May 10, 2012 12:50 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Jorge Pichard Mon May 07, 2012 5:48 pm
                                                                                          Re: Larry Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NOW Jorge Pichard Thu May 10, 2012 11:54 pm
                                                                                          Re: Polish amateur first to beat professional shogi player Jorge Pichard Mon May 21, 2012 12:22 am
                        Re: Yonenaga is still a very high Shogi player.............. Jorge Pichard Mon May 07, 2012 11:42 pm
                              Re: Yonenaga is still a very high Shogi player.............. Mark Schreiber Tue May 08, 2012 3:08 pm
                                    Re: Yonenaga is still a very high Shogi player.............. Jorge Pichard Tue May 08, 2012 3:21 pm
      Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Larry Kaufman Thu May 03, 2012 12:20 am
            Re: Larry here are some games Mr. Habu Vs GPS-Shogi Jorge Pichard Thu May 03, 2012 3:26 pm
                  Re: Larry here are some games Mr. Habu Vs GPS-Shogi Mark Schreiber Fri May 04, 2012 7:04 pm
            Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Mark Schreiber Fri May 04, 2012 6:44 pm
                  Re: Larry I believe that Bonkras can beat the Shogi Champ NO Larry Kaufman Fri May 04, 2012 9:34 pm
      Links to computer shogi forums Graham Banks Fri May 04, 2012 7:28 pm
            Re: Links to computer shogi forums Jorge Pichard Sat May 05, 2012 7:33 am
                  Re: I prefer the Chess Thinkers Forum Jorge Pichard Sat May 05, 2012 7:34 am
                        Re: Links to computer shogi forums Graham Banks Sat May 05, 2012 7:37 am
                        Re: I prefer the Chess Thinkers Forum Jorge Pichard Sat May 05, 2012 1:36 pm
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