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Bram Mourik



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PostPost subject: Re: Mythbuster continued ...    Posted: Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:03 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote

Houdini wrote:
beram wrote:
Another game where Houdini lets Komodo come away with a draw from a lost position. After game 18. move 112. ..Kf8? This time it was in game 56
[D]7Q/8/3kpPp1/8/5n2/2P2PK1/1p6/1r6 b - - 0 49
   ::    ::    ::    WQ
::    ::    ::    ::    
   ::    BK BP WP BP ::
::    ::    ::    ::    
   ::    ::    BN    ::
::    WP    :: WP WK    
   BP    ::    ::    ::
:: BR ::    ::    ::    

after 49. ..Rg1 it is a draw, as Stockfish very quick and Komodo rather quickly see. Deep Rybka w32 on slow laptop after 6 minutes at depth 19 switches to Nh5.
Houdini 1.5a fails to find the winning move Nh5+! within reasonable time after depth 31 still it prefers Rg1 which is a draw as Komodo shows in his eval in the game.pgn just one move later after playing Kxf4

any explanations someone ?

Interesting, it's another case where the "FiftyMoveDistance" option is useful. If you set it to 12, Houdini 2.0c finds Nh5! nearly immediately:
Code:
 12/45    0:00    -3.66    1...Rg1+ 2.Kxf4 g5+ 3.Ke3 b1Q 4.Qd8+ Ke5 5.Qd4+ Kf5 6.f7 Qc1+ 7.Qd2 Qa3 8.Kf2 Ra1 9.Kg3 Kf6 10.Qd7 Rg1+ 11.Kh3 (408.251) 3346
 13/45    0:00    -3.49--   1...Rg1+ 2.Kxf4 (549.357) 3662
 13/45    0:00    -3.14--   1...Rg1+ 2.Kxf4 (627.123) 3710
 13/45    0:00    -2.24--   1...Rg1+ 2.Kxf4 (858.314) 4146
 13/45    0:00    -2.59    1...Nh5+ 2.Kf2 Rf1+ 3.Kxf1 b1Q+ 4.Kg2 Qb7 5.Kf2 e5 6.Qf8+ Ke6 7.Qe8+ Kxf6 8.Qf8+ Kg5 9.Qd8+ Kf5 10.Qd3+ e4 11.fxe4+ Qxe4 (2.012.941) 5121
 14/45    0:00    -2.46--   1...Nh5+ 2.Kf2 (2.701.993) 5361
 14/45    0:00    -2.54    1...Nh5+ 2.Kf2 Rf1+ 3.Kxf1 b1Q+ 4.Kf2 Qb6+ 5.Kf1 Qa6+ 6.Ke1 Qa7 7.Kd2 e5 8.Kc2 Ke6 9.Qe8+ Kxf6 10.Qf8+ Qf7 11.Qd6+ Qe6 12.Qd8+ Qe7 13.Qb6+ Kf7 (3.899.927) 5611

Maybe I should look into using this parameter not just for analysis but also for game play...

Robert

Thx, that explains it and what Vincent uttered, was not the case
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                  Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Bram Mourik Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:39 pm
                        Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Timo Klaustermeyer Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:18 am
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                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Bram Mourik Sun Mar 11, 2012 7:15 pm
                                                Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Timo Klaustermeyer Mon Mar 12, 2012 8:04 am
                                                      Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Bram Mourik Mon Mar 12, 2012 6:15 pm
                                                            Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Jorge Pichard Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:51 am
                                                                  Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Jouni Uski Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:17 am
                                                                        Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Bram Mourik Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:46 pm
                                                                              Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Jouni Uski Wed Mar 14, 2012 8:52 pm
                                                                                    Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Dr.Wael Deeb Thu Mar 15, 2012 9:11 am
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Maurizio Maglio Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:35 pm
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Dr.Wael Deeb Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:22 am
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ... Bram Mourik Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:19 pm
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ... Vincent Diepeveen Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:29 pm
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ... Bram Mourik Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:41 pm
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ... Robert Houdart Sun Mar 18, 2012 4:52 pm
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ... Bram Mourik Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:03 pm
                                                                                    Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Bram Mourik Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:00 pm
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Robert Houdart Fri Mar 16, 2012 7:27 pm
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Timo Klaustermeyer Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:42 pm
                                                                                          Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Maurizio Maglio Fri Mar 16, 2012 9:49 pm
                                                      Re: Mythbuster continued ...but Komodo comes back Jorge Pichard Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:47 am
                                                      Re: Mythbuster continued ...Houdini likes it French way Bram Mourik Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:05 pm
                                                            Re: Mythbuster continued ...Houdini likes it French way Timo Klaustermeyer Wed Mar 14, 2012 7:35 pm
      Re: Mythbuster conclusions Bram Mourik Mon Mar 19, 2012 6:28 pm
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