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Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom)
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PostPost subject: Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom)    Posted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:01 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
Hi Edmund. Great work as usual.
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Another interesting finding was that with increasing level of play the Probability for White Scoring (=P(white win) + P(draw) * 0.5) increases. Regarding Daniels topic I see this as an indication that chess is not won by black. Extrapolating the trends suggest that at an Elo of 8000 94.5% of the games will end in a draw, 4% are won for white and the remaining 1.5% are won for black.

Indeed the EloAdvantage of white should not be constant. Only masters and gms would be able to exploit that well.BayesElo of weak players playing black may be slightly inflated as a result.
Draws really dominate chess at high elos. I bet most of them could be where white is up some but can't really force a win. Infact Kaufman claimed after e4 / d4 white gets an advantage that persists through the endgame. So if that persists throughout, then the high draw ratio should not be due to black making some compensations for white advantage. But due to rules that allow you to draw even when you are in disadvantage material wise.
Hex is really simple to prove as white win
Code:

No draws (only one side can connect)
+
Strategy stealing (A move can only improve your position i.e no zugzwang)
=
white wins!

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Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Edmund Moshammer Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:22 pm
      Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) H.G.Muller Sun Mar 04, 2012 6:56 am
            Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Edmund Moshammer Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:49 am
                  Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) H.G.Muller Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:44 am
                        Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Lucas Braesch Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:06 am
                              Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) H.G.Muller Sun Mar 04, 2012 11:29 am
                        Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Edmund Moshammer Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:42 pm
                              Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Edmund Moshammer Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:52 pm
                              Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) H.G.Muller Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:26 pm
                                    Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Edmund Moshammer Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:13 pm
                                          Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) H.G.Muller Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:33 pm
                                                Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Edmund Moshammer Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:18 pm
                                    Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Adam Hair Sat Jun 30, 2012 11:00 pm
                                          Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Adam Hair Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:25 pm
                              Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Adam Hair Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:48 am
                                    Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Adam Hair Sun Jul 01, 2012 8:47 pm
                                          Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Edmund Moshammer Sun Jul 01, 2012 9:55 pm
                                                Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Adam Hair Mon Jul 02, 2012 12:37 am
                                                      Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Adam Hair Mon Jul 02, 2012 1:27 pm
                        Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Marco Costalba Sun Jul 01, 2012 7:17 am
      Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Lucas Braesch Sun Mar 04, 2012 8:53 am
      Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Daniel Shawul Sun Mar 04, 2012 12:01 pm
      Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Rémi Coulom Sun Mar 04, 2012 1:29 pm
            Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) H.G.Muller Sun Mar 04, 2012 2:20 pm
                  Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Rémi Coulom Sun Mar 04, 2012 3:52 pm
                        Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) H.G.Muller Sun Mar 04, 2012 4:12 pm
                              Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Rémi Coulom Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:13 pm
                                    Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) H.G.Muller Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:27 pm
                                          Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Rémi Coulom Sun Mar 04, 2012 5:32 pm
      Re: Advantage for White; Bayeselo (to Rémi Coulom) Daniel Shawul Wed Sep 12, 2012 12:18 am
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