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Don Dailey

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Post subject: Re: Number 1 engine on long time controls.    Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:06 pm

Ajedrecista wrote:
Hi Don!

 Quote: That is very interesting stuff Jose!

Thanks for your interest, but my real name is Jesús and not José (they are not equivalent in Spanish-speaking countries, like Spain). I think that in Anglo-Saxon countries, naming a boy Jesús could be disrespectful, but not in Spanish-speaking countries. But I understand your error as a simple lapsus (without bad intention), so I am not annoyed. Nobody is perfect, specially me...

Now, the more interesting part of my post: I redid the least squares using logarithms of basis 2 in x axis and results are EXACTLY the same: n is in fact the same while the slope (m) of the adjusted line (Y) differs, but also the distance between points in x axis, so the table is exactly the same. I guess that the results will be the same with any possible basis for the logarithmic scale (i.e. 10) in x axis.

 Quote: The new study combines both program from levels 00 to 08 and rates them all together in a massive round robin. The result will be plotted on a graph and I can handicap Houdini as Uri suggests by adjusting the x-axis, which is the equivalent of handicapping one of the programs by time. So if I add 0.5 to Houdini's X-AXIS for example it's like handicapping it by half a doubling or the same as giving Komodo 1.414 times more time.

It seems interesting giving more time to Komodo not only in integer quantities (2, 3, ...) or rational ones (3/2, 5/2, ...), but also with irrational quantities (such as sqrt(2)). The TC will be a little strange, even with approximations (I mean, not exactly sqrt(2) but for example 1.414 times, as you stated). I can only wish you good luck... and lots of patiente!

Jesús,

We have found that no two programs are the same with respect to scaling behavior. Stockfish is very good, any of the Ippo based programs are poor about this. What I am interested in finding out is if the Ippo's are just very good at fast chess but eventually just reach a steady state. But when I still see the behavior (although much less pronounced) at higher levels it's difficult to imagine that it is not intrinsic to the program.

This is probably an artifact of how programs are tested. The good program are tuned with thousands of games played at very fast levels and each author has different ways of running the tests. It's impossible to get tests done in reasonable time unless you test very fast. As a result the program become especially well tuned to playing at these levels.

 Quote: Everyone is eager (even me) with the future results of Komodo MP (4 or 4.1?) in CCRL, CEGT, Clemens' Base, IPON and other rating lists (no need of hurry). Congratulations for the triumph in CCT 14 blitz event!

A version of Komodo MP played in the CCT 14 blitz, but only 3 games were played with this version in the main tournament. We are working on getting it tuned to play well on quad hardware.

 Quote: Regards from Spain. Ajedrecista.

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