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Sedat Canbaz

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Post subject: Re: POLL:Man vs Machine ?    Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:03 pm

 MM wrote: Hello Sedat, i understand your point of view and respect totally your opinion but i see the things differently. If i understood well, you match the strenght of the engines of the past with the actual engines and calculate the elo difference (and calculate the plus elo due to the hardware) Basically, having that, you calculate the plus strenght of the engine against humans. From my point of view it is not correct. For example: if you set a match between Carlsen and a 1400 elo engine and a 1800 elo engine, probably Carlsen will score identically. But there is 400 elo difference between the 2 engines. I mean that the elo of the engines, in my opinion, is valid only for engines and cannot be compared to the elo of Humans for a simple reason: with the exception of very rare events, humans and machines have a own life and never play the same tournaments. If there was a circuit in which humans and software would play constantly together and we should have a huge difference in performance in favour of the machine i would agree with you. But it's not the actual situation. Basically i think that untill humans and machines will play together regularely in the tournaments, it is impossible to compare the strenght of the ones with the strenght of the others. Thank you Best Regards

Dear Maurizio,

Of course its just estimations...i dont claim 100 % that i am right about there will be more than 500 Elo difference

I can be wrong...you can be wrong too

Just a simple question:
-Do you believe that Top GMs of 2700-2800 Elo will perform 200-300 Elo points stronger than Fritz in Bahrain,Rebel,Chess Tiger 2007.1 ?

Please check the bellow table,which is based on GMs vs Machines results - played 6-7 years ago,where the difference is 190 Elo:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human-computer_chess_matches

Note:only Junior chess engine was defeated (only two loses by Junior engine,it seems Junior team was not so lucky)

http://www.rebel.nl/resu.htm

I know very well that for a better conclusion,thousands of games are needed,but anyway i impressed by the performance of the top chess programs
And i dont think that we can find a such sponsor,who will make a such event of running thousands of games between Man vs Machine

Personally for me it's will be a BIG surprise,in case of Houdini,Rybka,Critter will be performed 300-400 Elo stronger than top GMs

Best,
Sedat
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Re: POLL:Man vs Machine ? Sedat Canbaz Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:03 pm
Maurizio Maglio Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:27 pm
Mel Cooper Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:04 pm
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