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Another change of heart
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Robert Hyatt



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PostPost subject: Re: Another change of heart    Posted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:06 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
Rebel wrote:
Marcel van Kervinck, Netherlands

Second, I would also like to inform you that with the knowledge I have today, I would have voted differently in the investigation process. I will explain why: I'm not sure anymore that information provided for making a conclusion about the breaking of the 'spirit' of rule 2 was sufficient. In particular, the entry forms of prior entrants were not considered and should have been. I feel the investigators were insufficiently instructed about how prior entrants have declared their origins.

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http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7926


One of the most misguided statements I have read. Based on this alone:

ChessBase feedback wrote:
I regret I didn't persist more at the time the comparison of Rybka's entry form with that of DT's. Because my vote should have been affected as follows:

* If DT's team did declare, on the entry form, that Belle's design was used, I would have voted Vas Rajlich guilty.
* If DT's didn't declare such on the form, I would have voted "not guilty, because there is no difference between DT's entry and VR's. Rule 2 should be applied the same."
* If DT's entry form was not to be found anymore, I would have voted "not guilty, because the information was insufficient to make an informed decision."




That makes no sense to me. How does DT's entry form have ANYTHING to do with whether or not Rybka is based on Fruit? It is as relevant as basing guilty/non-guilty on whether it is raining or not-raining, etc.

DT did not contain any "code" from belle whatsoever. Belle was blown-out diodes in an old FPGA implementation. DT was an ASIC design with a completely different implementation, as is explained in Hsu's dissertation. But all of that aside, what does it have to do with Rybka/Fruit? Absolutely nothing...
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Another change of heart Ed Schroder Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:12 am
      Re: Another change of heart Julien MARCEL Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:18 am
            Re: Another change of heart Tom Giampietro Fri Feb 17, 2012 1:27 pm
                  Re: Another change of heart Martin Sedlak Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:34 pm
                        Re: Another change of heart Derek Jones Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:51 pm
                              Re: Another change of heart Guenther Simon Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:59 pm
                                    Re: Another change of heart Matthias Gemuh Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:31 pm
                                          Re: Another change of heart Adam Hair Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:46 pm
                                                Re: Another change of heart Guenther Simon Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:35 pm
                              Re: Another change of heart Martin Sedlak Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:06 pm
                                    Re: Another change of heart Derek Jones Fri Feb 17, 2012 6:55 pm
                                          Re: Another change of heart Martin Sedlak Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:58 pm
                                          Re: Another change of heart K I Hyams Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:04 pm
                                                Re: Another change of heart Adam Hair Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:07 pm
                                                      Re: Another change of heart Derek Jones Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:23 pm
                                                            Re: Another change of heart Adam Hair Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:47 pm
                                                            Re: Another change of heart Wylie Garvin Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:29 pm
                                                                  Re: Another change of heart Robert Houdart Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:31 pm
                                                                        Re: Another change of heart Sam Hamilton Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:06 am
                                                                              Re: Another change of heart Adam Hair Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:00 am
                                                                  Re: Another change of heart Adam Hair Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:42 pm
                                                                  Re: Another change of heart Graham Banks Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:12 pm
                                                      Re: Another change of heart K I Hyams Fri Feb 17, 2012 8:46 pm
                                                            Re: Another change of heart Adam Hair Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:04 pm
                                                Re: Another change of heart Terry McCracken Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:25 am
                                    Re: Another change of heart Andres Valverde Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:50 pm
                              Re: Another change of heart Tom Giampietro Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:53 pm
            Re: Another change of heart Uri Blass Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:06 pm
                  Re: Another change of heart Derek Jones Fri Feb 17, 2012 2:46 pm
                        Re: Another change of heart Patrik Karlsson Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:12 pm
                              Re: Another change of heart Patrik Karlsson Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:40 pm
                              Re: Another change of heart Robert Hyatt Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:08 am
                                    Re: Another change of heart Sam Hamilton Sat Feb 18, 2012 3:07 am
                                          Re: Another change of heart Robert Hyatt Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:26 pm
                  Re: Another change of heart Daniel Shawul Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:20 pm
                        Re: Another change of heart Matthias Gemuh Fri Feb 17, 2012 3:28 pm
            Re: Another change of heart H.G.Muller Fri Feb 17, 2012 4:06 pm
                  Re: Another change of heart Uri Blass Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:21 pm
      Re: Another change of heart Robert Hyatt Fri Feb 17, 2012 5:06 pm
            Re: Another change of heart Ed Schroder Fri Feb 17, 2012 7:01 pm
                  Re: Another change of heart Robert Hyatt Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:37 pm
                        Re: Another change of heart Ed Schroder Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:09 am
                              Re: Another change of heart F. Bluemers Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:54 am
                              Re: Another change of heart Robert Hyatt Sat Feb 18, 2012 2:30 pm
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