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Some Notes about Hyper-Threading
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Robert Hyatt



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PostPost subject: Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading    Posted: Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:01 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
Sedat Canbaz wrote:
bob wrote:
Sedat Canbaz wrote:
Hello dear Vincent,

Your request is done...


*Test 1:HT OFF 6 Physical cores


Conditions:
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i7 980X @4.33GHz
Hyper Threading Disabled
Windows XP x64 Prof
TC:60 Minutes/Game
Ponder OFF
128 MB Hashtable
Large Pages Enabled
Position Learning OFF


Solved mate in sec:
-------------------------
1st-215s
2nd-198s
3rd-111s
4rd-209s
5th-50s
6th-168s
7th-150s
8th-110s
9th-56s
10th-158s
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-Hiarcs 13.2 HT OFF 6 physical cores solves the mate average in 142 sec


************************************************************

*Test 2:HT ON 12 Threads

Conditions:
----------------
i7 980X @4.33GHz
Hyper Threading Enabled
Windows XP x64 Prof
TC:60 Minutes/Game
Ponder OFF
128 MB Hashtable
Large Pages Enabled
Position Learning OFF

Solved mate in sec:
--------------------------
1st-48s
2nd-249s
3rd-98s
4rd-168s
5th-206s
6th-52s
7th-209s
8th-124s
9th-97s
10th-271s
----------
-Hiarcs 13.2 HT ON 12 Threads solves the mate position average in 152 sec


More Details:
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Hiarcs 13.2's Hashtables are cleaned before starting each bench
Hiarcs 13.2 has been tested with the same mate position:TOTAL 20 times
As we see again,the results are slightly in favor for HT OFF
Hiarcs 13.2 with 'Position Learning ON' is solving the mate much faster
Due to accurate speed testing,the benchmarks are done with Position Learning OFF



Download all HT Chess Benchmarks by Hiarcs 13.2:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/games/ht_test.rar


Best Regards,
Sedat


So it is worse with HT on than off. Which has been my finding every time I have tested this, starting back with the PIV...

Not terribly worse, just "worse"...


Dear Robert,

First of all,i'd like to thank you for all of your work since many years
Really i have seen a lot of useful information in your postings

Yes...it seems,the chess speed is better with HT OFF
But anyway to finish this interesting discussion,i plan to test both systems (HT OFF against HT ON) in SCCT Auto232 conditions:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/ratings/scct-auto232/scct-auto232-conditions/

BTW,in my opinion,Bayeselo program will give us accurate ELO statistics about the performance of the both (HT OFF/HT ON) systems

Best,
Sedat


BTW, for the record, I use HT on EVERYWHERE now, but for Crafty I set max threads to # of physical cores. Hyperthreading can help in other cases, such as when doing a linux kernel build and compiling everything. But if I run max threads at number of physical cores, I get the same identical performance as with HT off for Crafty. And should you have a 12 physical core box (24 logical cores) and be running a 12 thread game, running another application doesn't hurt as much as it does with HT off...
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Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Fri Dec 09, 2011 3:50 pm
      Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Ernest Bonnem Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:31 am
            Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Sat Dec 10, 2011 2:43 am
                  Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:06 pm
                        Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading enrico fagiuoli Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:26 pm
                        Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Ernest Bonnem Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:07 pm
                        Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading H.G.Muller Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:30 pm
                              Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Daniel Shawul Tue Jun 26, 2012 11:35 pm
                                    Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading H.G.Muller Wed Jun 27, 2012 5:40 am
                                          Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Daniel Shawul Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:23 am
                                                Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading H.G.Muller Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:57 am
                                                      Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Daniel Shawul Wed Jun 27, 2012 11:33 am
                  Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Ernest Bonnem Sun Dec 11, 2011 1:19 am
                        Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading M ANSARI Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:06 am
                              Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Mon Dec 12, 2011 11:14 am
                        Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Sun Dec 11, 2011 8:31 am
                              Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Ernest Bonnem Sun Dec 11, 2011 6:00 pm
                                    Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Vincent Diepeveen Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:12 pm
                                          Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Vincent Diepeveen Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:35 pm
                                                Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:03 am
                                                      Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Vincent Lejeune Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:46 am
                                                            Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:04 pm
                                                                  Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Vincent Lejeune Mon Dec 12, 2011 12:32 pm
                                    Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Mon Dec 12, 2011 2:37 am
                                          Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Ernest Bonnem Mon Dec 12, 2011 5:24 pm
                                                Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:14 pm
                                                      Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:51 pm
                                                            Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:27 pm
                                                                  Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:01 pm
                                                      Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Vincent Lejeune Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:10 am
                                                            Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:35 am
                                                            Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sujay Jagannathan Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:42 pm
                                                      Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Vincent Lejeune Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:00 pm
                                                            Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Tue Jun 26, 2012 4:56 pm
                                                                  Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Vincent Lejeune Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:45 am
                                                                  Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Vincent Lejeune Wed Jun 27, 2012 10:22 pm
                                                Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Mon Dec 12, 2011 7:51 pm
      Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Rodolfo Leoni Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:45 am
            Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:25 pm
                  Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Albert Silver Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:33 pm
                        Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Vincent Diepeveen Sat Dec 10, 2011 7:52 pm
                              Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Sat Dec 10, 2011 10:23 pm
                                    Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Russell Murray Sat Dec 10, 2011 11:58 pm
                                          Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Wylie Garvin Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:23 am
                                                Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:38 am
                                    Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Vincent Diepeveen Sun Dec 11, 2011 4:25 pm
                  Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Sat Dec 10, 2011 4:04 pm
                        Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Rodolfo Leoni Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:53 pm
                              Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Sun Dec 11, 2011 12:36 am
                                    Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Rodolfo Leoni Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:19 pm
                                          Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Sun Dec 11, 2011 3:49 pm
                                    Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sujay Jagannathan Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:36 pm
                              Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Flesher Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:00 pm
                                    Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Vincent Diepeveen Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:27 pm
                              Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Lonnie Cook Wed Jun 27, 2012 12:44 pm
                        Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Carl Bicknell Mon Dec 12, 2011 9:06 am
                              Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Mon Dec 12, 2011 1:31 pm
                                    Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Carl Bicknell Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:00 pm
                                          Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:31 pm
                                                Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Carl Bicknell Mon Dec 12, 2011 4:54 pm
                                                      Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Mon Dec 12, 2011 6:42 pm
                                                            Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Flesher Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:25 am
                                    Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Vincent Diepeveen Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:46 pm
                                          Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Wed Dec 14, 2011 4:30 am
                                                Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Wed Dec 14, 2011 1:01 pm
                                                      Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:35 pm
                                                            Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Wed Dec 14, 2011 8:22 pm
                                                      Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Wed Dec 14, 2011 7:39 pm
                                                            Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Wed Dec 14, 2011 10:43 pm
                                                                  Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:21 am
                                                                        Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Fri Dec 16, 2011 5:31 pm
                                                                              Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:55 pm
                                                                                    Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:52 pm
                                                                  Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Thu Dec 15, 2011 2:34 am
                                                                        Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Thu Dec 15, 2011 3:13 am
                                                                              Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:27 am
                                                                                    Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:19 pm
                                                                                    Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:25 pm
                                                                                          Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:26 am
                                                                                          Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Sat Dec 17, 2011 1:27 am
                                                                                          Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:50 am
                                                                                          Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:49 am
                                                                                          Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Sat Dec 17, 2011 10:11 am
                                                                                          Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Sat Dec 17, 2011 3:54 pm
                                                                              Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:23 pm
                                                                                    Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Sedat Canbaz Sat Dec 17, 2011 12:09 am
                                                                                          Re: Some Notes about Hyper-Threading Robert Hyatt Sat Dec 17, 2011 4:52 am
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