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Christophe Théron



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PostPost subject: Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague    Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:19 am Reply to topic Reply with quote
Eelco de Groot wrote:
tiger wrote:


You should be happy that Apple relaxed their own rule and let Stockfish be published.

These are THEIR rules. They are quite free to enforce them or not because they are not legally bound to enforce them.

In my experience, they start enforcing them when a clear abuse is noticed.

So I guess Stockfish is safe and it would indeed be possible to take action against the clones. This is in contradiction with what I thought initially, but since I have learnt that the GPL is not compatible with the App Store I believe that it is possible to do something.


// Christophe


Yes, that is more or less what I thought that had happened; because Tord mentioned that Stockfish first had to go through some review and that he had to wait whether it would be accepted by the store. So from that at least it seemed that both parties looked at any special implications of having a GPL program accepted and if that would mean that the rules would have to be adapted, both Tord and Apple had looked at the matter and agreed. One would hope they would also have had the foresight of looking at possible cloning of the Stockfish sources.



I don't think there has been anything special about Stockfish.

Every program published on the App Store has to pass thru a lengthy and almost opaque review process.

Chess Tiger has waited only one week. I mean from the time I have send the binary and all the marketing material to the time the app has been available for purchase on the App Store, one week has elapsed.

The two updates I have posted since have taken between 2.5 and 5 days to be accepted.

I have heard that in the past some applications took several weeks or even months to be approved, for no special reason. I guess Apple is totally overwhelmed by the amount of work the review process represents and they have only recently assigned enough people to the task.

I think they mostly look for bugs in the application and malevolent behaviour. In the case of GPL programs, it seems that they let them be as long as no complaint is received. However I do not know if they would react on a complaint, how long it would take or what they would do.



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Other applicants might possibly complain then, if they felt that an 'unfair' exception had been made from the rules, or they might point to incompatibility to the store regulations with the GPL. I do not expect that the cloners would take it up with a judge, but if they did I maybe naively would expect the judge to look if anything a) illegal or b) injust would have taken place. Of course there may be jurisprudence, or existing regulations for webstores maybe, that could complicate a ruling. But maybe naively, I would hope that the judge then would weigh heavily that it is not just in the interest of GPL developers but important for all real developers that something can be done against outright cloning, breach of GPL even and that these clone developers would not be able to simply say they are within the boundaries of the GPL entitled to the same treatment as the original author for instance. That is what you would hope is also taken into consideration by Apple themselves. But in a perfect world there would never be need of any judge or referee.

(Also this is about a store, the official Apple store, when it would simply be about GPL clones on the Internet in general, people behave differently and they would be a bit more wary about what they are buying I think. And the Internet is much harder to police than a store, even a virtual store.)

Sorry for my longwinded post Christophe

Regards, Eelco



I can answer in a few words. Smile

Having a judge look at the issue is science fiction.

Apple rules the store.



// Christophe
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Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague... Julien MARCEL Sat May 28, 2011 12:11 pm
      Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Martin Sedlak Sat May 28, 2011 12:53 pm
            Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Tord Romstad Sat May 28, 2011 2:28 pm
                  Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Bryan Whitby Sat May 28, 2011 3:08 pm
                        Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Christophe Théron Sun May 29, 2011 5:21 am
                  Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Christophe Théron Sun May 29, 2011 6:16 am
                        Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Tord Romstad Sun May 29, 2011 7:02 am
                              Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Christophe Théron Sun May 29, 2011 8:11 am
                                    Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Tord Romstad Sun May 29, 2011 9:45 am
                                          Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Christophe Théron Sun May 29, 2011 6:59 pm
                                                Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Evert Glebbeek Sun May 29, 2011 9:08 pm
                                                      Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Christophe Théron Sun May 29, 2011 9:30 pm
                                                            Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Sven Schüle Sun May 29, 2011 10:32 pm
                                                                  Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Christophe Théron Sun May 29, 2011 10:49 pm
                                                                        Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Julien MARCEL Sun May 29, 2011 10:53 pm
                                                                              Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Christophe Théron Sun May 29, 2011 11:01 pm
                                                                                    Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Julien MARCEL Sun May 29, 2011 11:03 pm
                                                                                          Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Christophe Théron Sun May 29, 2011 11:57 pm
                                                                                          Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Alex Brown Mon May 30, 2011 2:01 am
                                                                                          Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Christophe Théron Mon May 30, 2011 4:57 am
                                                                                          Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Alex Brown Mon May 30, 2011 9:32 am
                                                                                          Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Eelco de Groot Mon May 30, 2011 11:04 am
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                                                                                          Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Eelco de Groot Tue May 31, 2011 3:20 pm
                                                                                          Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Christophe Théron Tue May 31, 2011 6:09 pm
                                                                                          Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Eelco de Groot Tue May 31, 2011 7:24 pm
                                                                                          Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Christophe Théron Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:19 am
                                                                                          Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Julien MARCEL Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:00 pm
                                                                                          Re: Stockfish clones in the AppStore: it's becoming a plague Christophe Théron Fri Jun 10, 2011 11:23 pm
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