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Robert Hyatt



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PostPost subject: Re: Court case victory to Chessbase    Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 4:00 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
Laskos wrote:
bob wrote:
Laskos wrote:
bob wrote:
Many courts have already ruled that you can _not_ copyright a chess game, because chess games are "enumerable" and one can write a program which, given enough time, can enumerate every possible game of chess that can be played.


Funny, every literary text is enumerable, hope the courts from now on will not allow them to fall under copyright protection, given the Chessbase precedent.

I just wrote such a program and it gave me

"one can write a program which, given enough time, can enumerate every possible game of chess that can be played" in 2 seconds.

Kai


This isn't true. There are an infinite number of possible "literary texts". You can insert words for as long as you want. Chess, however, is finite, because of the rules (most notably the 50 move rule).


Funny again. Admitting that chess is enumerable, the only reason a literary text could not be enumerable is because it could be infinite? Does such text exist? Even this is irrelevant, as you seem to miss my main point. Both chess and MY utterance "I am" are innumerable.

Kai


I have no idea what you are talking about. "I am" can be enumerated easily. 4 loops, nested, each looping over all alpha characters and space, one loop for each of four positions. You get "I am" quickly. But for the general case, you have to have an infinite number of nested loops because there is no rule saying that "once you use N characters, you can't add another. In text, you can _always_ add another. Chess is finite. And I don't want to hear the silly "50 move is optional." Show me a game where 2 players decided to play on beyond 50 moves, _intentionally_. I've played in a ton of tournaments over the years (as a human player and operating a chess program against humans) and I have _never_ seen it happen. Realistically, the game is finite as it is zero-sum.

Does an infinite-length exist? Funny. But for any length text you produce, I can produce one that is one word longer... And we _never_ reach a point where that is no longer true.

With chess, 3900 moves or so and the game is over.
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Court case victory to Chessbase Graham Banks Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:08 am
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