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Vincent Diepeveen
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Post subject: Re: Stockfish - material balance/imbalance evaluation Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:57 pm |
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What i wrote down here is the censured version in fact.
Realize, chess is a worst case game. If you make a mistake somewhere, you lose. So testing is everything in computer chess. Always was.
Yet there was money limits there. I simply had no test hardware. Now i have a 16 core box. Note it's not getting used as of now for computer chess. Only when i have an income it'll go back to that. Competing unpaid with the army paying dudes is no fun. So right now the box is just factorizing a few very big (candidate probable) prime numbers... (google for Wagstaff and Diepeveen).
Computerchess always had VIP's, big guys. Once there was even Turing who had a paper chess program i read somewhere. Big guys. Nothing new there.
Yet they all shared very amateuristic testing compared to what companies can afford to use for testing. Only a few PC's at most. I remember how Ed once posted he used even 7 auto232 players. So 14 machines in total to test.
So if someone throws big bucks at setting up professional testing+tuning in computerchess, that's kick butt of course. An advantage that you can forget about working against except when you get paid.
Please note Chessbase has done basically nothing against Rybka past 5 years, which is weird. They always did do their utmost best to let Fritz look like the best, in whatever manner.
They knew already a government was behind it.
there happens too many random actions right now.
What effectively happens is that if a Cuban author writes himself in at ICGA (so a non-NATO nation - on google you can find how he tried to sell his dog online by the way. A pretty big dog and 2 year old). Such a guy gets quickly found to be a cheat, yet the rest walks free.
Some authors manage to get themselves paid, sometimes in indirect manners. I'll quote 2 persons here and both i'm very thankful for saying this, but i guess they don't like to get mentionned by name:
Chessprogrammer A: "I made no money with computerchess whatsoever and will not make any cash with it either, however BECAUSE i have this program i get hired everywhere for all sorts of amazing jobs".
Chessprogrammer B: "It was all Idiots working on that code, now finally after some years they saw the light and decided to hire a programmer with experience there".
This is the most careful quotes i got.
Both programmers wrote a 3000+ elo engine and obviously are not doing the testing themselves. They got: "a bunch of idiots" for that.
Please note neither engine would even be above elo 2500 without payment. You get what you pay for.
What happens in computerchess past few years is just too moronic for words.
Vincent
p.s. what do you guess was the strong point of Brutus (later called Hydra) and who tuned it - obviously not chrilly nor university paderborn - i doubt the Sheikh knew where it got its main strength from... |
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Ralph Stoesser |
Fri May 07, 2010 12:15 am |
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Marco Costalba |
Fri May 07, 2010 5:39 am |
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Ralph Stoesser |
Fri May 07, 2010 8:09 am |
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Marco Costalba |
Fri May 07, 2010 8:25 am |
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Sven Schüle |
Fri May 07, 2010 9:48 am |
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Sven Schüle |
Fri May 07, 2010 10:31 am |
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Ralph Stoesser |
Fri May 07, 2010 10:54 am |
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Fri May 07, 2010 10:31 pm |
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Ralph Stoesser |
Sat May 08, 2010 1:33 pm |
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Marco Costalba |
Sat May 08, 2010 2:29 pm |
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Ralph Stoesser |
Sat May 08, 2010 4:24 pm |
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Ralph Stoesser |
Sat May 08, 2010 7:54 pm |
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Ralph Stoesser |
Sun May 09, 2010 3:19 pm |
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Marco Costalba |
Sun May 09, 2010 4:47 pm |
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Ralph Stoesser |
Sun May 09, 2010 7:51 pm |
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Marco Costalba |
Sun May 09, 2010 10:47 pm |
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Ralph Stoesser |
Sun May 09, 2010 11:22 pm |
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Marco Costalba |
Mon May 10, 2010 4:58 am |
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Sven Schüle |
Mon May 10, 2010 7:39 am |
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Ralph Stoesser |
Mon May 10, 2010 10:22 am |
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Eelco de Groot |
Mon May 10, 2010 5:04 pm |
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Ralph Stoesser |
Mon May 10, 2010 9:35 pm |
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Marco Costalba |
Tue May 11, 2010 11:19 am |
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Ralph Stoesser |
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Ralph Stoesser |
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Marco Costalba |
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Vincent Diepeveen |
Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:10 pm |
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Vincent Diepeveen |
Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:43 pm |
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Vincent Diepeveen |
Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:44 pm |
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Joona Kiiski |
Wed Jul 28, 2010 7:55 pm |
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Vincent Diepeveen |
Wed Jul 28, 2010 8:30 pm |
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Milos Stanisavljevic |
Wed Jul 28, 2010 9:30 pm |
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Vincent Diepeveen |
Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:11 pm |
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Milos Stanisavljevic |
Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:31 pm |
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Vincent Diepeveen |
Wed Jul 28, 2010 10:57 pm |
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