New engine: Ippolit

[Matthias Gemuh]

Incredible 11.5 : 2.5 now after 14 games at TC 1+1, no crash yet.

Matthias.

and then the time losses.....

Yes the time losses will be fun.

1 time loss after 18 games, 14 : 4 for Ippolit.

Matthias.

[bob]

There was mention of this program several times. Actually just a few days ago non other than Larry Kaufman was asking about who the perpetrators of this clone were and the post got deleted immediately. I guess they don't want to give publicity to something that was illegal.

It makes perfect sense not to give publicity to illegal clones, but the moderators here probably feel constrained by the charter. Sometimes decisions need to made outside the charter though, especially where common sense dictates.
If mention of Ippolit is deleted almost everywhere else, it seems irresponsible to allow it here. Just my opinion.

I disagree. We should not allow links or references to sites that provide programs that are clones. But to stop the discussions would really be _against_ the charter here since that kind of discussion is exactly what CCC was created for. Otherwise, where can one discussion clones and expose them or verify them?

Some go way overboard with censorship. The mentioned "quick trigger fingers" that delete posts as they appear is an example.

[Anton]

Having said that, it is bust beyond belief. It should be interesting to see just how many of the cloners can fix it. We did......after 3 months.

???

Just had to alter 1 number in the makefile, compiled cleanly first time

I guess you either have it, or you don't.

Code: Select all

info time 113831 nodes 20849140 nps 183000 score cp 14 depth 19 seldepth 43 pv e2e4 e7e5 g1f3 b8c6 b1c3 g8f6 f1c4 f8c5 a2a3 e8g8 e1g1 a7a6 d2d3 d7d6 b2b4 c5d4 f3d4 c6d4 c3d5 c8d7 c1e3 f6d5 c4d5
info currmove d2d4 currmovenumber 2
info currmove g1f3 currmovenumber 3
info currmove g2g4 currmovenumber 4
info currmove h2h4 currmovenumber 5
info currmove h2h3 currmovenumber 6
info currmove g2g3 currmovenumber 7
info currmove f2f4 currmovenumber 8
info currmove f2f3 currmovenumber 9
info currmove e2e3 currmovenumber 10
info currmove d2d3 currmovenumber 11
info currmove c2c4 currmovenumber 12
info currmove c2c3 currmovenumber 13
info currmove b2b4 currmovenumber 14
info currmove b2b3 currmovenumber 15
info currmove a2a4 currmovenumber 16
info currmove a2a3 currmovenumber 17
info currmove g1h3 currmovenumber 18
info currmove b1c3 currmovenumber 19
info currmove b1a3 currmovenumber 20

LOL

Your troubles has just begun. Now make it work.......properly.........



I have about 35 different versions of Ippolit. I'll let you keep that one.



Christopher

It demolished stockfish_151 in a 5 min game in xboard, not bad for something that is bust beyond belief , I will leave it running overnight and see what happens..

[Christopher Conkie]

Having said that, it is bust beyond belief. It should be interesting to see just how many of the cloners can fix it. We did......after 3 months.

???

Just had to alter 1 number in the makefile, compiled cleanly first time

I guess you either have it, or you don't.

Code: Select all

info time 113831 nodes 20849140 nps 183000 score cp 14 depth 19 seldepth 43 pv e2e4 e7e5 g1f3 b8c6 b1c3 g8f6 f1c4 f8c5 a2a3 e8g8 e1g1 a7a6 d2d3 d7d6 b2b4 c5d4 f3d4 c6d4 c3d5 c8d7 c1e3 f6d5 c4d5
info currmove d2d4 currmovenumber 2
info currmove g1f3 currmovenumber 3
info currmove g2g4 currmovenumber 4
info currmove h2h4 currmovenumber 5
info currmove h2h3 currmovenumber 6
info currmove g2g3 currmovenumber 7
info currmove f2f4 currmovenumber 8
info currmove f2f3 currmovenumber 9
info currmove e2e3 currmovenumber 10
info currmove d2d3 currmovenumber 11
info currmove c2c4 currmovenumber 12
info currmove c2c3 currmovenumber 13
info currmove b2b4 currmovenumber 14
info currmove b2b3 currmovenumber 15
info currmove a2a4 currmovenumber 16
info currmove a2a3 currmovenumber 17
info currmove g1h3 currmovenumber 18
info currmove b1c3 currmovenumber 19
info currmove b1a3 currmovenumber 20

LOL

Your troubles has just begun. Now make it work.......properly.........



I have about 35 different versions of Ippolit. I'll let you keep that one.



Christopher

It demolished stockfish_151 in a 5 min game in xboard, not bad for something that is bust beyond belief , I will leave it running overnight and see what happens..

Trust me it is very bust. 1 game against Stockfish? Already?



Wake up to a crash.....good idea.

Or why not run Rybka 3 instead and have no crash......?

Christopher

[Christopher Conkie]

Incredible 11.5 : 2.5 now after 14 games at TC 1+1, no crash yet.

Matthias.

and then the time losses.....

Yes the time losses will be fun.

1 time loss after 18 games, 14 : 4 for Ippolit.

Matthias.

Why don't you run it against Rybka 3?



Christopher

[Uri Blass]

Incredible 11.5 : 2.5 now after 14 games at TC 1+1, no crash yet.

Matthias.

and then the time losses.....

Yes the time losses will be fun.

1 time loss after 18 games, 14 : 4 for Ippolit.

Matthias.

Why don't you run it against Rybka 3?



Christopher

I do not know but a possible reason may be that he does not have rybka3.

Uri

[Anton]

Having said that, it is bust beyond belief. It should be interesting to see just how many of the cloners can fix it. We did......after 3 months.

???

Just had to alter 1 number in the makefile, compiled cleanly first time

I guess you either have it, or you don't.

Code: Select all

info time 113831 nodes 20849140 nps 183000 score cp 14 depth 19 seldepth 43 pv e2e4 e7e5 g1f3 b8c6 b1c3 g8f6 f1c4 f8c5 a2a3 e8g8 e1g1 a7a6 d2d3 d7d6 b2b4 c5d4 f3d4 c6d4 c3d5 c8d7 c1e3 f6d5 c4d5
info currmove d2d4 currmovenumber 2
info currmove g1f3 currmovenumber 3
info currmove g2g4 currmovenumber 4
info currmove h2h4 currmovenumber 5
info currmove h2h3 currmovenumber 6
info currmove g2g3 currmovenumber 7
info currmove f2f4 currmovenumber 8
info currmove f2f3 currmovenumber 9
info currmove e2e3 currmovenumber 10
info currmove d2d3 currmovenumber 11
info currmove c2c4 currmovenumber 12
info currmove c2c3 currmovenumber 13
info currmove b2b4 currmovenumber 14
info currmove b2b3 currmovenumber 15
info currmove a2a4 currmovenumber 16
info currmove a2a3 currmovenumber 17
info currmove g1h3 currmovenumber 18
info currmove b1c3 currmovenumber 19
info currmove b1a3 currmovenumber 20

LOL

Your troubles has just begun. Now make it work.......properly.........



I have about 35 different versions of Ippolit. I'll let you keep that one.



Christopher

It demolished stockfish_151 in a 5 min game in xboard, not bad for something that is bust beyond belief , I will leave it running overnight and see what happens..

Trust me it is very bust. 1 game against Stockfish? Already?



Wake up to a crash.....good idea.

Or why not run Rybka 3 instead and have no crash......?

Christopher

Just the one game, to see if it worked ok with polyglot & xboard, If my engine is this busted when completed, I will be very happy.

Not likely, see below.

I will give you a clue, Penguins.

[Christopher Conkie]

If my engine is this busted when completed, I will be very happy.

You are making an engine? How far are you along with it? Sounds interesting.

Christopher

BTW Over here we call them sheep.

[Steve B]

There was mention of this program several times. Actually just a few days ago non other than Larry Kaufman was asking about who the perpetrators of this clone were and the post got deleted immediately. I guess they don't want to give publicity to something that was illegal.

It makes perfect sense not to give publicity to illegal clones, but the moderators here probably feel constrained by the charter. Sometimes decisions need to made outside the charter though, especially where common sense dictates.
If mention of Ippolit is deleted almost everywhere else, it seems irresponsible to allow it here. Just my opinion.

I disagree. We should not allow links or references to sites that provide programs that are clones. But to stop the discussions would really be _against_ the charter here since that kind of discussion is exactly what CCC was created for. Otherwise, where can one discussion clones and expose them or verify them?

Some go way overboard with censorship. The mentioned "quick trigger fingers" that delete posts as they appear is an example.

i also disagree
the mere fact that other forums handle an issue one way does not
dictate how it should be handled here
we have a charter here and as far as i know there is not one other site on the net with a charter and elected mods
seems everyone bashes mods these days,even prior mods whom one would hope would know better given they have been through difficult decisions at times

prior mod teams have held the opinion that links to illegals engines are not permitted but discussion is allowed
we hold the same philosophy
Steve

[Christopher Conkie]

There was mention of this program several times. Actually just a few days ago non other than Larry Kaufman was asking about who the perpetrators of this clone were and the post got deleted immediately. I guess they don't want to give publicity to something that was illegal.

It makes perfect sense not to give publicity to illegal clones, but the moderators here probably feel constrained by the charter. Sometimes decisions need to made outside the charter though, especially where common sense dictates.
If mention of Ippolit is deleted almost everywhere else, it seems irresponsible to allow it here. Just my opinion.

I disagree. We should not allow links or references to sites that provide programs that are clones. But to stop the discussions would really be _against_ the charter here since that kind of discussion is exactly what CCC was created for. Otherwise, where can one discussion clones and expose them or verify them?

Some go way overboard with censorship. The mentioned "quick trigger fingers" that delete posts as they appear is an example.

i also disagree

It is a bit late to agree or disagree. Only 5000 views so far.

the mere fact that other forums handle an issue one way does not
dictate how it should be handled here

Being obtuse for the sake of it is also a bad idea.

we have a charter here and as far as i know there is not one other site on the net with a charter and elected mods

Which in truth is why this place lacks continuity and consistency. This has nothing to do with the Charter. It has to do with what is best for this place. The Charter is not all encompassing and never will be. Every site I know has rules of conduct. The only difference is a word. Here you call forum rules.....a Charter.

seems everyone bashes mods these days,even prior mods whom one would hope would know better given they have been through difficult decisions at times

Do you feel bashed? I thought Graham was gently saying to you some facts.

prior mod teams have held the opinion that links to illegals engines are not permitted but discussion is allowed

So what is the point? Are you saying that Google does not exist?

And when they have renamed whatever they find, then what?

They come back here, that's what.

Will you know what it is when it arrives is the real question.

I don't quite get the logic Steve. Either you delete the lot or you let it all stay.



Christopher