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Robert Hyatt



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PostPost subject: Re: rybka 1.0 and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet    Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:02 am Reply to topic Reply with quote
Dann Corbit wrote:
What I have seen so far:
There has been enough evidence presented to prove without a shadow of a doubt that Vas studied the UCI parser in Fruit. His is very similar, but not the same. The use of strtok() inline is a good idea, and somewhat unusual.

There are some similar eval terms (of course nearly every engine has some similar eval terms).

There is some similar search functionality (of course every engine has some similar search functionality).

Of course, there is nothing wrong with that.

Perhaps there is some other important evidence I have missed.

I guess that the crimes of which people are raising the red flag there is some merit:
Clearly, Vas has learned a lot from Fruit.

But (of course) every chess programmer has learned a lot from other chess programmers. Has Vas done more than they have?

Trying to stage a trial in the court of public opinion is a bad idea in my eyes.

Even in a court trial, the person performing the examination is not allowed to call for a conclusion on the part of the witness.

I think that if the possibly injured parties are interested, they should be the ones to perform the inquiries, and they should do it through proper channels.

Now, I am not against publication of evidence and allowing us to form our own opinions, as long as it is extremely clear that what we are viewing is not misrepresented.

But proclamations of guilt or innocence are best left to a judge unless the evidence is very, very clear.

And (buy the way) plagiarism clearly does not apply in this case. We are not talking about fraudulent publication of academic or literary works that were copied without permission or acknowledgement.


Where on earth does _that_ come from?

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Plagiarism is the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work.

Within academia, plagiarism by students, professors, or researchers is considered academic dishonesty or academic fraud and offenders are subject to academic censure. In journalism, plagiarism is considered a breach of journalistic ethics, and reporters caught plagiarizing typically face disciplinary measures ranging from suspension to termination. Some individuals caught plagiarizing in academic or journalistic contexts claim that they plagiarized unintentionally, by failing to include quotations or give the appropriate citation. While plagiarism in scholarship and journalism has a centuries-old history, the development of the Internet, where articles appear as electronic text, has made the physical act of copying the work of others much easier, simply by copying and pasting text from one web page to another.

Plagiarism is not copyright infringement. While both terms may apply to a particular act, they are different transgressions. Copyright infringement is a violation of the rights of a copyright holder, when material protected by copyright is used without consent. On the other hand, plagiarism is concerned with the unearned increment to the plagiarizing author's reputation that is achieved through false claims of authorship.


_either_ is bad. Both are related. And one could make the case that if code from fruit was copied, _both_ terms are applicable...

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Copyright violation is a possibility. I am not convinced (in either direction) that something bad has taken place {or has not taken place}.

I think that there is something very sad about this whole process.

I also think that those making charges often have a lot at stake and so it may be impossible for them to be truly neutral, even though they do not know it and really do intend to be fully neutral.
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rybka 1.0 and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Joseph Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:14 am
      Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Erik Roggenburg Mon Sep 29, 2008 1:51 am
            Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Ulysses P. Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:28 am
                  Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Robert Hyatt Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:08 am
                        Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Joseph Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:33 am
                              Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Peter Aloysius Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:03 am
                                    Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Uri Blass Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:30 am
                                    Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Joseph Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:50 am
                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Peter Aloysius Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:55 am
                                                Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Uri Blass Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:18 pm
                                                      Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Peter Aloysius Mon Sep 29, 2008 12:45 pm
                                                            Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Rolf Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:25 pm
                                                                  Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Peter Aloysius Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:35 pm
                                                                        Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Rolf Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:45 pm
                                                                        Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Slobodan R Stojanovic Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:14 pm
                                                                              Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Rolf Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:18 pm
                                                                                    Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Slobodan R Stojanovic Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:14 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Rolf Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:17 pm
                                                            Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Uri Blass Thu Oct 02, 2008 10:59 am
                                                      Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Robert Hyatt Mon Sep 29, 2008 3:58 pm
                                                            Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Rolf Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:03 pm
                                                                  Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Robert Hyatt Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:03 pm
                                                                        Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Rolf Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:15 pm
                                                                              Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Robert Hyatt Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:11 am
                                                            Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Uri Blass Thu Oct 02, 2008 11:10 am
      Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet William H. Rogers Mon Sep 29, 2008 2:33 am
            Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet George Speight Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:44 am
                  Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Terry McCracken Mon Sep 29, 2008 5:55 am
                        Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Graham Banks Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:00 am
                              Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Terry McCracken Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:08 am
                                    Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Graham Banks Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:23 am
                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Terry McCracken Mon Sep 29, 2008 6:32 am
                                    Wrong lion. Graham Banks Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:31 pm
                              Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Kaj Soderberg Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:31 pm
                  Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Robert Hyatt Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:03 pm
                        Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet George Speight Mon Sep 29, 2008 7:44 pm
                              Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Zach Wegner Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:00 pm
                                    Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet George Speight Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:09 pm
                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Terry McCracken Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:16 pm
                                                Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet George Speight Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:22 pm
                                                      Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Rolf Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:32 pm
                                                            Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Terry McCracken Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:44 pm
                                                                  Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Graham Banks Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:46 pm
                                                                        Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Rolf Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:01 pm
                                                                        Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Terry McCracken Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:03 pm
                                                                              Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Graham Banks Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:07 pm
                                                                                    Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Rolf Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:14 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Terry McCracken Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:17 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Rolf Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:22 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Graham Banks Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:25 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Zach Wegner Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:27 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Graham Banks Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:29 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Zach Wegner Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:33 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Rolf Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:41 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Rolf Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:35 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Terry McCracken Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:40 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Rolf Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:53 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Terry McCracken Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:02 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Joseph Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:05 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Zach Wegner Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:13 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Joseph Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:30 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Rolf Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:55 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Terry McCracken Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:23 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Terry McCracken Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:38 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Graham Banks Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:47 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Terry McCracken Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:58 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Norman Schmidt Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:26 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Robert Hyatt Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:07 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Zach Wegner Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:14 pm
                                                                                    Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Terry McCracken Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:31 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Graham Banks Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:40 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Zach Wegner Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:50 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Graham Banks Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:57 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Robert Hyatt Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:10 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Zach Wegner Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:15 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Rolf Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:28 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Graham Banks Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:27 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Evgenii Manev Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:11 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Graham Banks Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:59 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Evgenii Manev Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:06 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Graham Banks Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:09 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Evgenii Manev Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:22 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Graham Banks Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:28 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Evgenii Manev Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:35 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Graham Banks Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:36 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Evgenii Manev Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:48 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Graham Banks Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:05 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Evgenii Manev Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:28 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Graham Banks Tue Sep 30, 2008 2:34 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet George Speight Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:15 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Terry McCracken Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:32 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Robert Hyatt Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:14 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Peter Aloysius Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:45 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Graham Banks Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:04 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Evgenii Manev Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:16 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Graham Banks Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:25 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Peter Aloysius Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:11 am
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Joseph Thu Oct 02, 2008 1:18 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Terry McCracken Mon Sep 29, 2008 9:52 pm
                                                                                          Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Peter Aloysius Tue Sep 30, 2008 12:38 am
                                                      Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Terry McCracken Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:36 pm
                              Re: rybka and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Robert Hyatt Mon Sep 29, 2008 10:04 pm
      Re: rybka 1.0 and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Ron Peterson Tue Sep 30, 2008 1:12 am
            Re: rybka 1.0 and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet George Speight Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:37 am
                  Re: rybka 1.0 and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Terry McCracken Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:47 am
                        Re: rybka 1.0 and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Swaminathan Tue Sep 30, 2008 4:54 am
                              Re: rybka 1.0 and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Tony Thomas Thu Oct 02, 2008 9:17 am
      Re: rybka 1.0 and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Dann Corbit Tue Sep 30, 2008 3:41 am
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            Re: rybka 1.0 and plaggerism: has the case been compiled yet Robert Hyatt Tue Sep 30, 2008 5:02 am
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