FIDE World Chess Championship thread

[JuLieN]

Here's the game :
[pgn][Event "FWCM 2013"]
[Site "Chennai"]
[Date "2013.11.15"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Black "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2870"]
[BlackElo "2775"]
[PlyCount "102"]
[EventDate "2013.??.??"]
[EventCountry "IND"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:900+30"]

1.c4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 c6 4.e4 dxe4 5.Nxe4 Bb4+ 6.Nc3 c5 7.a3 Ba5 8.Nf3 Nf6 9.Be3 Nc6 10.Qd3 cxd4 11.Nxd4 Ng4 12.O-O-O Nxe3 13.fxe3 Bc7 14.Nxc6 bxc6 15.Qxd8+ Bxd8 16.Be2 Ke7 17.Bf3 Bd7 18.Ne4 Bb6 19.c5 f5 20.cxb6 fxe4 21.b7 Rab8 22.Bxe4 Rxb7 23.Rhf1 Rb5 24.Rf4 g5 25.Rf3 h5 26.Rdf1 Be8 27.Bc2 Rc5 28.Rf6 h4 29.e4 a5 30.Kd2 Rb5 31.b3 Bh5 32.Kc3 Rc5+ 33.Kb2 Rd8 34.R1f2 Rd4 35.Rh6 Bd1 36.Bb1 Rb5 37.Kc3 c5 38.Rb2 e5 39.Rg6 a4 40.Rxg5 Rxb3+ 41.Rxb3 Bxb3 42.Rxe5+ Kd6 43.Rh5 Rd1 44.e5+ Kd5 45.Bh7 Rc1+ 46.Kb2 Rg1 47.Bg8+ Kc6 48.Rh6+ Kd7 49.Bxb3 axb3 50.Kxb3 Rxg2 51.Rxh4 Ke6 52.a4 Kxe5 53.a5 Kd6 54.Rh7 Kd5 55.a6 c4+ 56.Kc3 Ra2 57.a7 Kc5 58.h4 1-0[/pgn]
According to SF, the ending should have been a draw, but Carlsen played an impressive streak of 15 best moves in a row, while Anand played a few inaccuracies building into a big advantage for white. Carlsen is an impressive ending player !

[Ozymandias]

Oh well I feel sorry for the best human players, other sports do not have machines exposing their true level of play.

They get fame and money. I'm sure they don't care much about the tiny portion of chess fans who realize how bad they are compared to machines. Specially when FIDE still choses commentators who don't.

[IGarcia]

Oh well I feel sorry for the best human players, other sports do not have machines exposing their true level of play.

They get fame and money. I'm sure they don't care much about the tiny portion of chess fans who realize how bad they are compared to machines. Specially when FIDE still choses commentators who don't.

They do play as 3000, but cant keep the pace. Here was Anand "blunder?" with Rc1+ instead of Ra1. I ask myself how many humans, without computers, realized the game was lost after Rc1+?

Great game for both. I do liked more game 4, full of tactical tricks.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

In hindsight I see that calling you a patzer was a bit harsh, and I apologize for that. Still, even if you happened to beat me in a game how would this make your idea any better?

"he most likely is not a gamer and most likely a soft program user"

What does gamer mean in this case? A serious engine-assisted correspondence chess player? And what does a soft program user mean? A weak program user? A weak user who only uses programs? A weak user because he only uses computer-programs? The terms are a bit ambiguous.

Now about the game if you still wish to play it.

"Now your without engines comment.
This is a computer chess forum correct?
I know there are OTB players here for different reasons. '
I am here as a gamer and hardware freak. "

This means that you'd rather play with engines correct? For me it's the opposite as quite frankly I am terrible at engine-assisted games as I haven't still learned how to give suggestions to the engines effectively and therefore most of the time I am some sort of a mailman, as much as it pains me to admit.

Sorry for the rather late response....

The answer would be all of the above....

And a little piece of advice:

Don't get yourself engaged in issues you know very little about compared to the people you are throwing stones at....
Dr.D

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Here's the game :
[pgn][Event "FWCM 2013"]
[Site "Chennai"]
[Date "2013.11.15"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Carlsen, Magnus"]
[Black "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2870"]
[BlackElo "2775"]
[PlyCount "102"]
[EventDate "2013.??.??"]
[EventCountry "IND"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:900+30"]

1.c4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 c6 4.e4 dxe4 5.Nxe4 Bb4+ 6.Nc3 c5 7.a3 Ba5 8.Nf3 Nf6 9.Be3 Nc6 10.Qd3 cxd4 11.Nxd4 Ng4 12.O-O-O Nxe3 13.fxe3 Bc7 14.Nxc6 bxc6 15.Qxd8+ Bxd8 16.Be2 Ke7 17.Bf3 Bd7 18.Ne4 Bb6 19.c5 f5 20.cxb6 fxe4 21.b7 Rab8 22.Bxe4 Rxb7 23.Rhf1 Rb5 24.Rf4 g5 25.Rf3 h5 26.Rdf1 Be8 27.Bc2 Rc5 28.Rf6 h4 29.e4 a5 30.Kd2 Rb5 31.b3 Bh5 32.Kc3 Rc5+ 33.Kb2 Rd8 34.R1f2 Rd4 35.Rh6 Bd1 36.Bb1 Rb5 37.Kc3 c5 38.Rb2 e5 39.Rg6 a4 40.Rxg5 Rxb3+ 41.Rxb3 Bxb3 42.Rxe5+ Kd6 43.Rh5 Rd1 44.e5+ Kd5 45.Bh7 Rc1+ 46.Kb2 Rg1 47.Bg8+ Kc6 48.Rh6+ Kd7 49.Bxb3 axb3 50.Kxb3 Rxg2 51.Rxh4 Ke6 52.a4 Kxe5 53.a5 Kd6 54.Rh7 Kd5 55.a6 c4+ 56.Kc3 Ra2 57.a7 Kc5 58.h4 1-0[/pgn]
According to SF, the ending should have been a draw, but Carlsen played an impressive streak of 15 best moves in a row, while Anand played a few inaccuracies building into a big advantage for white. Carlsen is an impressive ending player !

This game was won by the player who has the better endgame technique....

If I was walking in Anand's shoes,I will resign on the 48th move....

Anyways it's good to see the first full point in this match regards,
Dr.D

[kgburcham]

They do play as 3000, but cant keep the pace. Here was Anand "blunder?" with Rc1+ instead of Ra1. I ask myself how many humans, without computers, realized the game was lost after Rc1+?

45...Rc1 draws
[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/2r5 b - -


Komodo 6

33.01 +0.03 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Ke4 (6.107.755.138) 13479

Stockfish 111113

40/57 2:23 0.00 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (2.047.663.200) 14232

first blunder of the match, two point blunder,
Game 5, Anand plays 46...Rg1
position after the blunder

[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/6r1 w - -

Stockfish 111113

38/63 2:03 +2.03++ 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (1.948.789.793) 15778

[IGarcia]

They do play as 3000, but cant keep the pace. Here was Anand "blunder?" with Rc1+ instead of Ra1. I ask myself how many humans, without computers, realized the game was lost after Rc1+?

45...Rc1 draws
[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/2r5 b - -


Komodo 6

33.01 +0.03 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Ke4 (6.107.755.138) 13479

Stockfish 111113

40/57 2:23 0.00 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (2.047.663.200) 14232

first blunder of the match, two point blunder,
Game 5, Anand plays 46...Rg1
position after the blunder

[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/6r1 w - -

Stockfish 111113

38/63 2:03 +2.03++ 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (1.948.789.793) 15778

Your right operator!
Rc1+ is till a draw. Rg1 is the blunder.

[kgburcham]

They do play as 3000, but cant keep the pace. Here was Anand "blunder?" with Rc1+ instead of Ra1. I ask myself how many humans, without computers, realized the game was lost after Rc1+?

45...Rc1 draws
[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/2r5 b - -


Komodo 6

33.01 +0.03 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Ke4 (6.107.755.138) 13479

Stockfish 111113

40/57 2:23 0.00 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (2.047.663.200) 14232

first blunder of the match, two point blunder,
Game 5, Anand plays 46...Rg1
position after the blunder

[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/6r1 w - -

Stockfish 111113

38/63 2:03 +2.03++ 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (1.948.789.793) 15778

Your right operator!
Rc1+ is till a draw. Rg1 is the blunder.

But we know the human could not see the draw because he did not play 46...Re1 instead blundered with 46...Rg1.
the 2800 human will see the drawing line with Stockfish in the Hotel room.
kgburcham

wait for it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOI8ae3Lub8

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

They do play as 3000, but cant keep the pace. Here was Anand "blunder?" with Rc1+ instead of Ra1. I ask myself how many humans, without computers, realized the game was lost after Rc1+?

45...Rc1 draws
[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/2r5 b - -


Komodo 6

33.01 +0.03 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Ke4 (6.107.755.138) 13479

Stockfish 111113

40/57 2:23 0.00 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (2.047.663.200) 14232

first blunder of the match, two point blunder,
Game 5, Anand plays 46...Rg1
position after the blunder

[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/6r1 w - -

Stockfish 111113

38/63 2:03 +2.03++ 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (1.948.789.793) 15778

That's about right Kim....

The black king offered himself as a gift to be pinned by the white bishop....

Are'nt these positions a common sense for the super Grandmasters

I mean they should recognize certain patterns through all the phases of a chess game....
Dr.D

[George]

They do play as 3000, but cant keep the pace. Here was Anand "blunder?" with Rc1+ instead of Ra1. I ask myself how many humans, without computers, realized the game was lost after Rc1+?

45...Rc1 draws
[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/2r5 b - -


Komodo 6

33.01 +0.03 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Ke4 (6.107.755.138) 13479

Stockfish 111113

40/57 2:23 0.00 46...Re1 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (2.047.663.200) 14232

first blunder of the match, two point blunder,
Game 5, Anand plays 46...Rg1
position after the blunder

[D] 8/7B/8/2pkP2R/p6p/Pb6/1K4PP/6r1 w - -

Stockfish 111113

38/63 2:03 +2.03++ 47.Bg8+ Kd4 (1.948.789.793) 15778

That's about right Kim....

The black king offered himself as a gift to be pinned by the white bishop....

Are'nt these positions a common sense for the super Grandmasters

I mean they should recognize certain patterns through all the phases of a chess game....
Dr.D

Dr. Deeb the betting Mafia has been controlling the Match from the beginning, they already made a killing, by taking money from the Majority that predicted Magnus to win at least 1 in the first three games, now the same betting Mafia will control Magnus to lose tomorrow and tie the match, so they can make more Money $$$$$$$$$. $$

PS: Remember Money and Power are controlling our World :, In one of the interview, both players said something that the majority of the people did not catch it (It is the system, and we can not do anything about it) wink: