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Apple is dropping X11 in upcoming OS X 10.8
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Julien MARCEL



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PostPost subject: Re: Even worse    Posted: Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:04 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
lucasart wrote:

I'm not trying to convince anyone that Apple's software or hardware is bad. In fact their software/hardware has always been very good, from a functional point of view (although pricy).

The problem is ethical, it's about respecting users' freedom... Apple isn't the only corporation that conspires against our freedom, but they are by far the worst I've ever seen


I don't say you spoke hatred. But you're looking very down at the Mac users from this forum. As if only you were equipped with a brain and able to think. Well, you're not.

There are lots of reasons why people would chose a Mac over a PC, would it be running Windows or Linux. Mines include:

It is beautiful. Elegant. Full of tricks and smart, handy ideas. Both the OS and the Hardware. Maybe it doesn't matter to you, but for me it does. And so it does for many other Mac users. We all are different, Lucas.

As a result, even the applications are beautiful: the programmers feel compelled to add the "Mac value" to their programs: make them more beautiful than anything else on other platforms. That's why, btw, there's an "Apple DesignAward" each year. For instance, in 2011, the winners for MacOSX were Pixelmator and Capo:





From the previous years, I also like Things:


You can take a look at all the winners on wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Design_Awards

Also, my Mac works flawlessly: last time I had to reboot it was for a major OS update: my uptime was more than two months long. I never achieved that when I was still under Windows.

I also dropped a lots of bad and unproductive habits I had on Windows, like the constant search for new drivers, or the constant need to buy new hardware to catch up: my iMac will soon be three years old and I feel no need at all to change it: all the software I'm using works perfectly well.

Now, about X11: it was in OSX for legacy reasons, and only needed in the very beginning when the lack of native software made it crucial to be able to port softwares from the Unix world. But now X11 apps look prehistoric compared with native cocoa applications. The graphic server in OSX is a postscript engine, far more capable than X11. When you run X11 apps they look awful compared with the Quartz ones. I won't regret X11. Besides, X11 being POSIX, it is a piece of cake to compile it for OSX if you really need it.

So, in conclusion: live and let live, Lucas. You have your ideas, your priorities and, mind you, everyone has different ones, not less legitimate than yours. Smile
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Apple is dropping X11 in upcoming OS X 10.8 Steven Edwards Fri Feb 17, 2012 9:23 pm
      Re: Apple is dropping X11 in upcoming OS X 10.8 H.G.Muller Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:01 pm
            Re: Apple is dropping X11 in upcoming OS X 10.8 Sam Hamilton Sat Feb 18, 2012 12:20 am
                  Re: Apple is dropping X11 in upcoming OS X 10.8 Nguyen Pham Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:30 am
            Re: Apple is dropping X11 in upcoming OS X 10.8 Steven Edwards Tue Mar 06, 2012 3:28 am
      Re: Apple is dropping X11 in upcoming OS X 10.8 Evert Glebbeek Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:00 pm
      Apple's Stairway to Feature Perdition Steven Edwards Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:33 am
            Re: Apple's Stairway to Feature Perdition Steven Atkinson Sun Feb 19, 2012 11:24 am
      Even worse Steven Edwards Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:09 pm
            Re: Even worse Lucas Braesch Mon Feb 20, 2012 2:53 pm
                  Re: Even worse Nguyen Pham Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:07 pm
                        Re: Even worse Lucas Braesch Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:16 pm
                              Re: Even worse Julien MARCEL Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:29 pm
                                    Re: Even worse Lucas Braesch Mon Feb 20, 2012 3:47 pm
                                          Re: Even worse Julien MARCEL Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:04 pm
                                                Re: Even worse Steven Atkinson Mon Feb 20, 2012 8:43 pm
                                                      Re: Even worse Michel Van den Bergh Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:09 am
                                                      Re: Even worse Lucas Braesch Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:50 am
                                                            Re: Even worse Julien MARCEL Tue Feb 21, 2012 12:03 pm
                                                            Re: Even worse Evert Glebbeek Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:18 pm
                                                                  Re: Even worse Miguel A. Ballicora Tue Feb 21, 2012 1:34 pm
                                                            Re: Even worse Steven Edwards Tue Feb 21, 2012 2:51 pm
                                                                  Re: Even worse Lucas Braesch Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:22 pm
                                                                        Re: Even worse Julien MARCEL Tue Feb 21, 2012 4:50 pm
                                                                              Re: Even worse Robert Hyatt Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:35 pm
                                                                                    Re: Even worse Julien MARCEL Tue Feb 21, 2012 5:41 pm
                                                                                          Re: Even worse Robert Hyatt Tue Feb 21, 2012 6:27 pm
                                                                                          Re: Even worse Miguel A. Ballicora Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:21 pm
                                                                                          Re: Even worse Lucas Braesch Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:02 am
                                                                                          Re: Even worse Evert Glebbeek Sun Feb 26, 2012 7:36 pm
                                          Re: Even worse Nguyen Pham Mon Feb 20, 2012 4:40 pm
                                                Re: Even worse Matthew R. Brades Mon Feb 20, 2012 5:32 pm
                              Re: Even worse Evert Glebbeek Mon Feb 20, 2012 7:09 pm
      Re: Apple is dropping X11 in upcoming OS X 10.8 Andy Duplain Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:37 am
      What to expect soon Steven Edwards Tue Feb 21, 2012 8:28 pm
            Re: What to expect soon Nguyen Pham Tue Feb 21, 2012 9:26 pm
                  Re: What to expect soon Steven Edwards Tue Feb 21, 2012 11:33 pm
      Re: Apple is dropping X11 in upcoming OS X 10.8 Louis Zulli Wed Feb 22, 2012 1:28 am
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