My recent correspondence with Vasik Rajlich

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Thanks for the post Sven.
Nothing new in these statements.

Best,
Gerold.

Absolutely....he spoke a lot and yet didn't say anything worth hitting the submit button to create this thread....

[Harvey Williamson]

Absolutely....he spoke a lot and yet didn't say anything worth hitting the submit button to create this thread....

If that was the criteria for hitting the submit button 90% of posts here are not worth the effort

[Steve B]

it does kinda sorta put things into a bit of perspective

ever since the IPPO engine hit the scene ..the Computer Chess world has been rocked to its core
depending on where you stand on the issue..
friends have become enemies and enemies have become friends
commercial sites have been threatening everyone they can with legal action
new forums are popping up all over the net on a daily basis
testing group members are at each others throats as to test or not
fan boys have risked life and limb to defend their favorite engines
moderators have been besieged from all sides
even entire families have been torn asunder

and during all of this time..
the one man that could have ended this debate.. at any time...with one post..
simply hasn't placed the issue up high enough on his "to do " list

Prioritizing Regards
Steve

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Absolutely....he spoke a lot and yet didn't say anything worth hitting the submit button to create this thread....

If that was the criteria for hitting the submit button 90% of posts here are not worth the effort

Post of the day....congratulations

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

it does kinda sorta put things into a bit of perspective

ever since the IPPO engine hit the scene ..the Computer Chess world has been rocked to its core
depending on where you stand on the issue..
friends have become enemies and enemies have become friends
commercial sites have been threatening everyone they can with legal action
new forums are popping up all over the net on a daily basis
testing group members are at each others throats as to test or not
fan boys have risked life and limb to defend their favorite engines
moderators have been besieged from all sides
even entire families have been torn asunder

and during all of this time..
the one man that could have ended this debate.. at any time...with one post..
simply hasn't placed the issue up high enough on his "to do " list

Prioritizing Regards
Steve

An excellent statement....couldn't say it better....thanks my friend
A big hug,
Dr.D

[benstoker]

Re. Rybka 3 source code: Unfortunately, I don't have it. (Yes, it was careless. I'm keeping the Rybka 4 source code.) It's not necessary for writing up the Ippolit case, but it would probably make a court case more difficult.

Best regards,
Vas

Vas says he doesn't have the source code for Rybka 3. Surely he doesn't mean he lost it. Did he just sell it to Chessbase or something? Is that what he means? Even so, why would he be so "careless"? What does that mean? Careless in losing the source code? Careless to sell it to someone?

He says he's keeping the source for Rybka 4, but doesn't have the source for Rybka 3. Therefore, Rybka 4 must have hardly any code from Rybka 3.

[Harvey Williamson]

Re. Rybka 3 source code: Unfortunately, I don't have it. (Yes, it was careless. I'm keeping the Rybka 4 source code.) It's not necessary for writing up the Ippolit case, but it would probably make a court case more difficult.

Best regards,
Vas

Vas says he doesn't have the source code for Rybka 3. Surely he doesn't mean he lost it. Did he just sell it to Chessbase or something? Is that what he means? Even so, why would he be so "careless"? What does that mean? Careless in losing the source code? Careless to sell it to someone?

He says he's keeping the source for Rybka 4, but doesn't have the source for Rybka 3. Therefore, Rybka 4 must have hardly any code from Rybka 3.

I think it is a clever use of words. He does not have the exact source from R3 that may be true. I bet he has source from a version very close to R3. It is not uncommon to produce several versions every week.

[Albert Silver]

Re. Rybka 3 source code: Unfortunately, I don't have it. (Yes, it was careless. I'm keeping the Rybka 4 source code.) It's not necessary for writing up the Ippolit case, but it would probably make a court case more difficult.

Best regards,
Vas

Vas says he doesn't have the source code for Rybka 3. Surely he doesn't mean he lost it. Did he just sell it to Chessbase or something? Is that what he means? Even so, why would he be so "careless"? What does that mean? Careless in losing the source code? Careless to sell it to someone?

He says he's keeping the source for Rybka 4, but doesn't have the source for Rybka 3. Therefore, Rybka 4 must have hardly any code from Rybka 3.

I think it is a clever use of words. He does not have the exact source from R3 that may be true. I bet he has source from a version very close to R3. It is not uncommon to produce several versions every week.

If he doesn't have the exact source of the released version of Rybka 3, which presumably is what the Ippos stem from, then how is that a clever use of words?

[Harvey Williamson]

Re. Rybka 3 source code: Unfortunately, I don't have it. (Yes, it was careless. I'm keeping the Rybka 4 source code.) It's not necessary for writing up the Ippolit case, but it would probably make a court case more difficult.

Best regards,
Vas

Vas says he doesn't have the source code for Rybka 3. Surely he doesn't mean he lost it. Did he just sell it to Chessbase or something? Is that what he means? Even so, why would he be so "careless"? What does that mean? Careless in losing the source code? Careless to sell it to someone?

He says he's keeping the source for Rybka 4, but doesn't have the source for Rybka 3. Therefore, Rybka 4 must have hardly any code from Rybka 3.

I think it is a clever use of words. He does not have the exact source from R3 that may be true. I bet he has source from a version very close to R3. It is not uncommon to produce several versions every week.

If he doesn't have the exact source of the released version of Rybka 3, which presumably is what the Ippos stem from, then how is that a clever use of words?

Because many will misunderstand as Ben did. Maybe splitting hairs is a better description. The version may have been called Rybka 2.xxx that was compiled as R3 for release. He may have the 2.xxx code but not the R3!? Does he need the exact source code to prove anything?! I think a source with a few minor differences would be fine.

Should he publish it here to keep the few happy - lol

[Albert Silver]

Re. Rybka 3 source code: Unfortunately, I don't have it. (Yes, it was careless. I'm keeping the Rybka 4 source code.) It's not necessary for writing up the Ippolit case, but it would probably make a court case more difficult.

Best regards,
Vas

Vas says he doesn't have the source code for Rybka 3. Surely he doesn't mean he lost it. Did he just sell it to Chessbase or something? Is that what he means? Even so, why would he be so "careless"? What does that mean? Careless in losing the source code? Careless to sell it to someone?

He says he's keeping the source for Rybka 4, but doesn't have the source for Rybka 3. Therefore, Rybka 4 must have hardly any code from Rybka 3.

I think it is a clever use of words. He does not have the exact source from R3 that may be true. I bet he has source from a version very close to R3. It is not uncommon to produce several versions every week.

If he doesn't have the exact source of the released version of Rybka 3, which presumably is what the Ippos stem from, then how is that a clever use of words?

Because many will misunderstand as Ben did. Maybe splitting hairs is a better description. The version may have been called Rybka 2.xxx that was compiled as R3 for release. He may have the 2.xxx code but not the R3!? Does he need the exact source code to prove anything?! I think a source with a few minor differences would be fine.

Sure, but I think his point was that if he tries to prove his case, someone may argue that he is trying to prove the IPPOs came from Rybka 3, but is using a twin instead of the original. That is how I read it in any case.