Looks like Deep Sjeng wins cct12

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Re: Looks like Deep Sjeng wins cct12

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Totally agreed. If you provide the other engines 128 cores, they would just sit on it. So there is no reason why sjeng should be penalized for out incompetence. Infact he should be thanked for participating with such a good hardware. It gives the tournament good advertisement, good motivation for the rest of the group to draw/win it etc..
As to Peter, he runs the tourney as smooth as possible, even accomodating some stupid late comer arriving an hour late ;) Thanks a lot. I had a lot of fun myself throughout the times I managed to stay awake. I hope more participants will join in for next year.

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M ANSARI wrote:Actually the latest 64bit Win 7 has been a really nice OS. I usually don't like to praise a MS OS, but really I think they got their act together here. The OS is fast, sleek with a small footprint and very stable.
Totaly agreed here....last week I made the big step to purchase and install Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and I must say that it's a fine product....fast,stable and error free....almost,I haven't seen one yet to admit :wink:
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Re: Looks like Deep Sjeng wins cct12

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Dr.Wael Deeb wrote:
M ANSARI wrote:Actually the latest 64bit Win 7 has been a really nice OS. I usually don't like to praise a MS OS, but really I think they got their act together here. The OS is fast, sleek with a small footprint and very stable.
Totaly agreed here....last week I made the big step to purchase and install Windows 7 x64 Ultimate and I must say that it's a fine product....fast,stable and error free....almost,I haven't seen one yet to admit :wink:
Agreed.
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Re: Looks like Deep Sjeng wins cct12

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Respect to GCP and his Sjeng for winning. Are Sjeng and Rybka the only two engines that run on standard-PC Clusters?

Looking at the games though, I enjoyed some of Hiarcs wins more. Just a matter of taste.
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where can I find the games?
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Re: Looks like Deep Sjeng wins cct12

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maxchgr wrote:where can I find the games?
http://www.cctchess.com/games.html
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Re: Looks like Deep Sjeng wins cct12

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Albert Silver wrote:
Damir wrote:You forgot to mention it is using 128 cores cluster. On the other hand, It would be a complete failure, if it did not win the tournament...
Considering that huge clusters have more often not won, than won, it is a very nice victory. A hearty congrats to Gian-Carlo, and to Peter Skinner for a great tourney once again!
Yes, that is indeed true. Historically, clusters haven't performed well enough to win. I used to have discussions with Steve Otto about this at work (he was involved with WayCool). He said he wished they had written a good single proc chess program before moving on to a super computer version. Seems that is what all of the past did - they jumped straight to a super computer. Now, the successes are coming from programs that started as single proc programs.

On the issue of practically cheating, I say bull. I have a version of Telepath that runs on a cluster. It took quite some time to code, test and tune it. There are considerable issues to over come in cluster programming. Some take time, others take large numbers of CPU's. I need more CPUs before I run the cluster version in a tournament. So, I know what kind of effort it takes.

So, Hooray for GCP.

AFAIK, there aren't any open source cluster programs. That is good. If you can't read the manuals and figure it out for yourself, then you aren't capable enough to do it.
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Re: Looks like Deep Sjeng wins cct12

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Highendman wrote:Respect to GCP and his Sjeng for winning. Are Sjeng and Rybka the only two engines that run on standard-PC Clusters?

Looking at the games though, I enjoyed some of Hiarcs wins more. Just a matter of taste.
Indeed. I was just playing through the pivotal and spectacular Hiarcs-Sjeng game. I'm curious, just how far into the game did Sjeng see clear compensation for the sacrificed piece after 25... Rxa2? In this game, I love how the Rb8 was left en-prise for fifteen moves. Hiarcs' later equalizing shots of 61. b5 and 62. c4 were also very impressive. How much of the resulting KBNR-KBQ endgame was determined by endgame databases?

This would be a game worthy of publication with deep annotations.

[Event "CCT12"]
[Site "FICS"]
[Date "2010.02.20"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Hiarcs"]
[Black "SjengX"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2389"]
[BlackElo "2570"]
[ECO "B80"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 e6 7.f3 b5 8.Qd2 Nbd7
9.g4 b4 10.Na4 h6 11.O-O-O Ne5 12.Qxb4 Bd7 13.Bf4 g5 14.Bd2 Be7 15.h4 Rb8
16.Qa3 gxh4 17.Bb4 Qc7 18.Bxa6 O-O 19.Rxh4 Bxa4 20.Qxa4 Qb6 21.Bb5 Nxe4
22.Rh2 Nxf3 23.Nxf3 Ra8 24.Qb3 Qxb5 25.Re1 Rxa2 26.Rxe4 Ra1+ 27.Kd2 Qf1
28.Rhe2 Rb8 29.Qc3 Rd1+ 30.Ke3 Bd8 31.Qc6 Bb6+ 32.Kf4 Qh3 33.Bxd6 h5 34.
gxh5 Rf1 35.Rb4 Qh4+ 36.Ke5 Qxh5+ 37.Kf4 Qh4+ 38.Ke5 Qg3+ 39.Rf4 Qg7+ 40.
Rf6 Qg3+ 41.Ke4 Qg4+ 42.Rf4 Qg6+ 43.Ke5 Rd1 44.Rxf7 Rd5+ 45.Qxd5 Kxf7 46.
Kf4 Qf6+ 47.Kg4 exd5 48.Bxb8 Bd8 49.Be5 Qa6 50.Rh2 Qg6+ 51.Kf4 Qe4+ 52.Kg3
Ke8 53.Rh6 Bg5 54.Re6+ Be7 55.c3 Kd7 56.Rh6 Qc2 57.b4 Qd3 58.Rb6 Bd8 59.
Rb7+ Kc6 60.Rb8 Bb6 61.b5+ Qxb5 62.c4 Qb1 63.cxd5+ Kxd5 64.Bf4 Qg6+ 65.Ng5
Bd4 66.Rd8+ Kc4 67.Rd6 Qf5 68.Nf3 Bc5 69.Ne5+ Kb5 70.Rd8 Qh7 71.Rb8+ Ka6
72.Ra8+ Kb7 73.Rd8 Be7 74.Rd3 Ka6 75.Rd7 Qh4+ 76.Kf3 Kb5 77.Be3 Bb4 78.
Rd5+ Ka4 79.Rd3 Qf6+ 80.Ke4 Qe7 81.Bd4 Qh4+ 82.Kd5 Qd8+ 83.Ke4 Qg5 84.Bc3
Qh4+ 85.Kd5 Qh1+ 1/2-1/2
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Re: Looks like Deep Sjeng wins cct12

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IanO wrote:
Highendman wrote:Respect to GCP and his Sjeng for winning. Are Sjeng and Rybka the only two engines that run on standard-PC Clusters?

Looking at the games though, I enjoyed some of Hiarcs wins more. Just a matter of taste.
Indeed. I was just playing through the pivotal and spectacular Hiarcs-Sjeng game. I'm curious, just how far into the game did Sjeng see clear compensation for the sacrificed piece after 25... Rxa2? In this game, I love how the Rb8 was left en-prise for fifteen moves. Hiarcs' later equalizing shots of 61. b5 and 62. c4 were also very impressive. How much of the resulting KBNR-KBQ endgame was determined by endgame databases?

This would be a game worthy of publication with deep annotations.

[Event "CCT12"]
[Site "FICS"]
[Date "2010.02.20"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Hiarcs"]
[Black "SjengX"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2389"]
[BlackElo "2570"]
[ECO "B80"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 e6 7.f3 b5 8.Qd2 Nbd7
9.g4 b4 10.Na4 h6 11.O-O-O Ne5 12.Qxb4 Bd7 13.Bf4 g5 14.Bd2 Be7 15.h4 Rb8
16.Qa3 gxh4 17.Bb4 Qc7 18.Bxa6 O-O 19.Rxh4 Bxa4 20.Qxa4 Qb6 21.Bb5 Nxe4
22.Rh2 Nxf3 23.Nxf3 Ra8 24.Qb3 Qxb5 25.Re1 Rxa2 26.Rxe4 Ra1+ 27.Kd2 Qf1
28.Rhe2 Rb8 29.Qc3 Rd1+ 30.Ke3 Bd8 31.Qc6 Bb6+ 32.Kf4 Qh3 33.Bxd6 h5 34.
gxh5 Rf1 35.Rb4 Qh4+ 36.Ke5 Qxh5+ 37.Kf4 Qh4+ 38.Ke5 Qg3+ 39.Rf4 Qg7+ 40.
Rf6 Qg3+ 41.Ke4 Qg4+ 42.Rf4 Qg6+ 43.Ke5 Rd1 44.Rxf7 Rd5+ 45.Qxd5 Kxf7 46.
Kf4 Qf6+ 47.Kg4 exd5 48.Bxb8 Bd8 49.Be5 Qa6 50.Rh2 Qg6+ 51.Kf4 Qe4+ 52.Kg3
Ke8 53.Rh6 Bg5 54.Re6+ Be7 55.c3 Kd7 56.Rh6 Qc2 57.b4 Qd3 58.Rb6 Bd8 59.
Rb7+ Kc6 60.Rb8 Bb6 61.b5+ Qxb5 62.c4 Qb1 63.cxd5+ Kxd5 64.Bf4 Qg6+ 65.Ng5
Bd4 66.Rd8+ Kc4 67.Rd6 Qf5 68.Nf3 Bc5 69.Ne5+ Kb5 70.Rd8 Qh7 71.Rb8+ Ka6
72.Ra8+ Kb7 73.Rd8 Be7 74.Rd3 Ka6 75.Rd7 Qh4+ 76.Kf3 Kb5 77.Be3 Bb4 78.
Rd5+ Ka4 79.Rd3 Qf6+ 80.Ke4 Qe7 81.Bd4 Qh4+ 82.Kd5 Qd8+ 83.Ke4 Qg5 84.Bc3
Qh4+ 85.Kd5 Qh1+ 1/2-1/2
We were both in book to move 50.
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Re: Looks like Deep Sjeng wins cct12

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Harvey Williamson wrote:
IanO wrote:
Highendman wrote:Respect to GCP and his Sjeng for winning. Are Sjeng and Rybka the only two engines that run on standard-PC Clusters?

Looking at the games though, I enjoyed some of Hiarcs wins more. Just a matter of taste.
Indeed. I was just playing through the pivotal and spectacular Hiarcs-Sjeng game. I'm curious, just how far into the game did Sjeng see clear compensation for the sacrificed piece after 25... Rxa2? In this game, I love how the Rb8 was left en-prise for fifteen moves. Hiarcs' later equalizing shots of 61. b5 and 62. c4 were also very impressive. How much of the resulting KBNR-KBQ endgame was determined by endgame databases?

This would be a game worthy of publication with deep annotations.

[Event "CCT12"]
[Site "FICS"]
[Date "2010.02.20"]
[Round "5"]
[White "Hiarcs"]
[Black "SjengX"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2389"]
[BlackElo "2570"]
[ECO "B80"]

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Be3 e6 7.f3 b5 8.Qd2 Nbd7
9.g4 b4 10.Na4 h6 11.O-O-O Ne5 12.Qxb4 Bd7 13.Bf4 g5 14.Bd2 Be7 15.h4 Rb8
16.Qa3 gxh4 17.Bb4 Qc7 18.Bxa6 O-O 19.Rxh4 Bxa4 20.Qxa4 Qb6 21.Bb5 Nxe4
22.Rh2 Nxf3 23.Nxf3 Ra8 24.Qb3 Qxb5 25.Re1 Rxa2 26.Rxe4 Ra1+ 27.Kd2 Qf1
28.Rhe2 Rb8 29.Qc3 Rd1+ 30.Ke3 Bd8 31.Qc6 Bb6+ 32.Kf4 Qh3 33.Bxd6 h5 34.
gxh5 Rf1 35.Rb4 Qh4+ 36.Ke5 Qxh5+ 37.Kf4 Qh4+ 38.Ke5 Qg3+ 39.Rf4 Qg7+ 40.
Rf6 Qg3+ 41.Ke4 Qg4+ 42.Rf4 Qg6+ 43.Ke5 Rd1 44.Rxf7 Rd5+ 45.Qxd5 Kxf7 46.
Kf4 Qf6+ 47.Kg4 exd5 48.Bxb8 Bd8 49.Be5 Qa6 50.Rh2 Qg6+ 51.Kf4 Qe4+ 52.Kg3
Ke8 53.Rh6 Bg5 54.Re6+ Be7 55.c3 Kd7 56.Rh6 Qc2 57.b4 Qd3 58.Rb6 Bd8 59.
Rb7+ Kc6 60.Rb8 Bb6 61.b5+ Qxb5 62.c4 Qb1 63.cxd5+ Kxd5 64.Bf4 Qg6+ 65.Ng5
Bd4 66.Rd8+ Kc4 67.Rd6 Qf5 68.Nf3 Bc5 69.Ne5+ Kb5 70.Rd8 Qh7 71.Rb8+ Ka6
72.Ra8+ Kb7 73.Rd8 Be7 74.Rd3 Ka6 75.Rd7 Qh4+ 76.Kf3 Kb5 77.Be3 Bb4 78.
Rd5+ Ka4 79.Rd3 Qf6+ 80.Ke4 Qe7 81.Bd4 Qh4+ 82.Kd5 Qd8+ 83.Ke4 Qg5 84.Bc3
Qh4+ 85.Kd5 Qh1+ 1/2-1/2
We were both in book to move 50.
:shock:

Wow. I guess that goes to show how important book prep is for high level tournaments. Do you know the attribution for this "line"?