Battle of the Forgotten

Carlos777 · Post by **Carlos777** » Sat Jan 16, 2010 6:39 pm

Update:

    Engine             Score   Ja Si KM Ro Si Cu Yo My Da Oz Ro RB Ch Tr Re Mi Sj Ad Ed Nu Al Br Cl AL Na Ar Ch Xa Ge Fr Fi Da Yo Ge Jo Sa Ne Ac Po Cp    S-B
01&#58; Jabba 1.0          50.5/58 ·· 0= 10 00 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 =  11 1  =  1  1  11 11 1  0  1  1  =1 =  1  11 1  1  1  1  11 11 1  11 1  1  1  1   918.00
02&#58; Simplex 0.0        44.5/52 1= ·· 1= == 01 11 01 01 =1 11 11 11    11 =  1  0  1  11 11 =           11 1  1  11 1  1     1  11 11 1  11 1  1  1      853.75
03&#58; KMTChess 1.1       43.5/51 01 0= ·· 11 11 11 00 11 10 11 11 10    11    1  =  1  11 11 1  1     =  11 1     11    1     1  11 11 1  11    1  1  1   834.50
04&#58; Roce 0.0390        43.5/51 11 == 00 ·· =0 10 1= 10 11 11 11 11    1=    1  1  1  11 11 1        1  11    1  11 1     1  1  11 11 1  11 1  1  1      794.25
05&#58; Sissa 1.00         42.5/54 00 10 00 =1 ·· 11 1= =0 11 10 11 11 0  11 =  0  1     11 11 1  1  1  1  11 1  =  11 1  1     1  11 11 1  11       1  1   749.25
06&#58; Cuckoo Chess 1.0   37.5/52 00 00 00 01 00 ·· 11 =1 11 01 10 11    11    1  =  0  11 11          1  11 =  1  11 1  1  1  0  11 11 1  11    1  1  1   594.50
07&#58; Yoda 1.30          36.0/51 00 10 11 0= 0= 00 ·· 11 =0 =1 =1 11 0  11 =     0     11 10 1  1  0     11 1     11 1  1  1     11 11 1  11 1  1         630.75
08&#58; Myrddin 0.81a2     34.0/50 00 10 00 01 =1 =0 00 ·· 11 =1 11 =0    11    0  0     11 11 0        1  11 1  1  11 0  1     1  11 11 1  11    1  1      572.00
09&#58; Dabbaba 2.46       30.5/52 00 =0 01 00 00 00 =1 00 ·· 11 1= 10 1  11    =  0  0  11 01    1     1  11 0  0  11    =  1  0  11 11 1  11 1     1      471.50
10&#58; Ozwald 0.43        25.5/48 00 00 00 00 01 10 =0 =0 00 ·· == 01    1= 0        0  11 11 0           =1    0  11 1     1  =  11 11 1  11 1  1         360.75
11&#58; Rocinante 1.01     24.0/50 00 00 00 00 00 01 =0 00 0= == ·· 00    11 0        1  0= 11 1  0  0  0  11 0     11 =     1     11 11 1  11 1  1         308.25
12&#58; RBrChess 2.16      22.5/51 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 =1 01 10 11 ·· 0  00    0  0  0  00 11    =  =  0  11 0     11 0  0        11 11 1  11 1  1         336.50
13&#58; Chesley r317 ja    18.0/21 =           1     1     0        1  ·· 1     1  0     1  1     1  =  1     1           1        1  1  1  1        1  1   272.75
14&#58; Trex 1.9           18.0/52 00 00 00 0= 00 00 00 00 00 0= 00 11 0  ·· 0     =  1  01 00    0  0  0  01 =     01 1     1     11 01 0  11 1  1  1      201.00
15&#58; Reger 0.09         17.5/23 0  =        =     =        1  1        1  ·· 0     1  1     =           1     =  1  0     1  1  1  1     1  1  1  1      235.50
16&#58; Micro-Max 4.8w     17.0/24 =  0  0  0  1  0     1  =        1  0     1  ·· 1     1        1  1  =  1  1     1     =  1           1  1        1      282.00
17&#58; Sjakk 1.1.3        16.0/23 0  1  =  0  0  =  1  1  1        1  1  =     0  ··       1     =  0  1     1     1     1              1     1     1      310.50
18&#58; Adamant 1.7        16.0/24 0  0  0  0     1        1  1  0  1     0  0        ·· 1     1           1     0  1  1     1  1  1  1        1  1     1   213.50
19&#58; Eden 0.013         16.0/49 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 1= 11 0  10 0  0     0  ·· 01 0  0        01 0     11 0     0     1= 11    11 1  1         185.25
20&#58; Numpty 0.5pr       15.5/48 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 10 00 00 00 0  11       0     10 ··    0  0  0  =0 0     10    =        11 11 =  11    1  1      181.50
21&#58; Alibaba 1.17       14.5/23 0  =  0  0  0     0  1     1  0           =        0  1     ··          1     =  1  1     1  1  1  1     1  1  1         183.75
22&#58; Brembo 0.62        14.0/22 1     0     0     0     0     1  =  0  1     0  =     1  1     ·· 1  1     =           =     1     1  1  1        1      206.00
23&#58; Cleo 1             14.0/20 0           0     1           1  =  =  1     0  1        1     0  ·· 1     0           1        1  1  1  1        1  1   176.75
24&#58; ALChess1.5b        12.5/24 0     =  0  0  0     0  0     1  1  0  1     =  0        1     0  0  ··    1     1     =        1  1  1  1        1      162.50
25&#58; Nanook 0.17        12.5/48 =0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 =0 00 00    10 0  0     0  10 =1 0           ··    0  11 =     1  0  == == 0  1=    1         151.50
26&#58; ArabianKnight 0.88 12.0/23 =  0  0     0  =  0  0  1     1  1  0  =     0  0     1  1     =  1  0     ··          1              1  1        1      202.50
27&#58; Chessrikus 1.466   11.5/19 0  0     0  =  0     0  1  1              =        1        =           1     ·· 1  1     0  1     1        1  1         160.25
28&#58; Xadreco 5.7        10.5/52 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    10 0  0  0  0  00 01 0        0  00    0  ··    0  0  0  1= 11 0  11    1  1  1    68.25
29&#58; Gedeone 1620       10.0/23 0  0     0  0  0  0  1     0  =  1     0  1        0  1     0           =     0     ··    =  =  1  1        1  1         134.00
30&#58; Frittle 0.5        9.5/23  0  0  0     0  0  0  0  =        1  0        =  0        =     =  0  =     0     1     ··       1  1  1  1        1      102.75
31&#58; Fimbulwinter 5.02  8.5/23  0        0     0  0     0  0  0        0  0  0     0  1     0           0     1  1  =     ·· 0  1  1     1  1  1          65.00
32&#58; Damas9             8.0/20  0  0  0  0  0  1     0  1  =              0        0        0  0        1     0  1  =     1  ··             1  1         120.25
33&#58; Youk 1.05          7.5/50  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0  00 0        0  0= 00 0     0  0  ==       0= 0  0  0     ·· 10 1  =1 1  1          48.50
34&#58; Geko 0.43          7.0/52  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0  10 0        0  00 00 0  0  0  0  ==    0  00 0  0  0     01 ··    == 1  1  1       45.50
35&#58; Joana_DC no book   6.0/28  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1     0  0        =     0  0  0  1  0     1     0        0     ·· =     1  1       51.50
36&#58; Sachy 0.2.01       4.5/52  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0  00 0  0        00 00 0  0  0  0  0= 0     00    0  0     =0 == =  ·· =  =  1       21.50
37&#58; Neg 0.3d           2.5/23  0  0     0        0     0  0  0  0     0  0     0  0  0     0                 0     0     0  0  0  0     =  ·· 1  1        2.75
38&#58; Ace v0.1           0.5/27  0  0  0  0     0  0  0     0  0  0     0  0        0  0  0  0           0     0  0  0     0  0  0  0  0  =  0  ··          2.25
39&#58; Pos-1.20           0.0/24  0  0  0  0  0  0     0  0           0  0  0  0  0        0     0  0  0     0     0     0           0  0  0  0     ··       0.00
39&#58; Cpp1               0.0/8   0     0     0  0                    0              0              0              0                                   ··    0.00

734 of 1560 games played

Cheoss 0.649 was removed due losses on time (5 out of 14 games = 35.7%,) some times early in the game (apparently illegal moves. BTW, anybody know how to save the debug files automatically in Arena?)

Cpp1 replaced Cheoss.

Buggy engines still in the tournament (I will take a decision about them later)

- Joana DC by Juan Pablo Mendoza (when playing with white pieces does not accept opponent's short castle and loses by time. 4 losses on time out of 25 games.)
- Yoda 1.30 does not accept opponent's underpromotion to other piece different of a queen.

So far, these engines are disqualified of the tournament:

Not working under Arena: (if someone has an idea on how to make them work, please reply)

ChessV 0.94

Lose on time:

Alice 0.3.5
Blitzkibitz rev4
Cheoss 0.649
Hippocampe 0.4.2
Mainsworthy 64.01.7
NSVChess 0.14
Suff 0.3a

Illegal moves:

Dendron 0.42ja (castles under check)

Always ponder:

Apilchess 1.05-r1b ja
Braincrack alpha JA
CPW 050908ja
Plisk 0.12

Crash:

Chess0 v0.3.2

Do not support x+y time management:

Chad's Chess 0.15

Richard Allbert · Post by **Richard Allbert** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 10:52 am

Jabba better than expected.

Thanks a lot for the result, I'll post it on my blog

Regards

Richard

Carlos777 · Post by **Carlos777** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 5:35 pm

Richard Allbert wrote:

Jabba better than expected.

Thanks a lot for the result, I'll post it on my blog

Regards

Richard

Hi Richard,

Not at all, Jabba is a nice engine.

Jabba was one of the first programs I was testing (before the "real" tournament began). I opted for keeping it in the tournament, in spite of the strenght showed until then.

Here is a logo for Jabba: (thanks to David Dahlem)

I am thinking about testing Lime, but I am afraid it would be too strong for this field. What do you think?

Regards,
Carlos

PS:

More logos from David:

Cuckoo Chess

Stockfish 1.6s

Sven · Post by **Sven** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 6:58 pm

swami wrote:Thank you.

Interesting information about engines in 1800-2000 range of the ratings scale.

In fact it is even slightly below that:

Carlos777 wrote:The conditions to participate are:

1. Engines should have an approx. ELO of 1700 or lower.

which by no means makes it less interesting, of course.

Sven

Richard Allbert · Post by **Richard Allbert** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:09 pm

Yes, I think Lime is too strong for the list!

swami · Post by **swami** » Sun Jan 17, 2010 7:31 pm

Sven Schüle wrote:
swami wrote:Thank you.

Interesting information about engines in 1800-2000 range of the ratings scale.
In fact it is even slightly below that:
Carlos777 wrote:The conditions to participate are:

1. Engines should have an approx. ELO of 1700 or lower.
which by no means makes it less interesting, of course.

Sven

Yes, I hadn't read that until later.

I did see the top 2 Jabba and KMTChess in there and thought these engines were around 2000 and ones below them were probably around 1800. Hence my assumption 1800-2000.

Carlos777 · Post by **Carlos777** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:39 am

Richard Allbert wrote:Yes, I think Lime is too strong for the list!

Ok Richard, thanks.

Update

Current crosstable:

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    Engine             Score   Ja Si KM Ro Si Yo Cu My Da Ch Mi Re Sj Oz Ro Br Cl Ad RB Ar Ch Al AL Da Tr Ed Fr Nu Ge Na Xa Jo Fi Yo Ge Sa Ne Ac Po Cp    S-B
01&#58; Jabba 1.0          50.5/58 ·· 0= 10 00 11 11 11 11 11 =  =  1  1  11 11 0  1  1  11 =  1  1  1  1  11 11 1  11 1  =1 11 1  1  11 11 11 1  1  1  1   1135.2
02&#58; Simplex 0.0        49.5/57 1= ·· 1= == 01 01 11 01 =1 1  1  =  0  11 11 1  1  1  11 1  1  =     1  11 11 1  11 1  11 11 1  1  11 11 11 1  1  1  1   1112.7
03&#58; KMTChess 1.1       49.0/57 01 0= ·· 11 11 00 11 11 10 =  1  1  =  11 11 1  1  1  10 1     1  =  1  11 11 1  11 1  11 11 1  1  11 11 11 1  1  1  1   1102.5
04&#58; Roce 0.0390        47.5/57 11 == 00 ·· =0 1= 10 10 11 0  1  =  1  11 11 1  1  1  11 =  1  1  1  1  1= 11    11 1  11 11 1  1  11 11 11 1  1  1  1   1031.7
05&#58; Sissa 1.00         46.5/58 00 10 00 =1 ·· 1= 11 =0 11 0  0  =  1  10 11 1  1  1  11 1  =  1  1  1  11 11 1  11 1  11 11 1  1  11 11 11 1  1  1  1   970.50
06&#58; Yoda 1.30          40.5/57 00 10 11 0= 0= ·· 00 11 =0 0  0  =  0  =1 =1 1  0     11 1  1  1  =  1  11 11 1  10 1  11 11 1  1  11 11 11 1  1  1  1   815.75
07&#58; Cuckoo Chess 1.0   40.5/58 00 00 00 01 00 11 ·· =1 11 0  1  0  =  01 10 0  1  0  11 =  1  1  1  0  11 11 1  11 1  11 11 1  1  11 11 11 1  1  1  1   777.00
08&#58; Myrddin 0.81a2     39.0/57 00 10 00 01 =1 00 =0 ·· 11 =  0  0  0  =1 11    =  1  =0 1  1  0  1  1  11 11 1  11 0  11 11 1  1  11 11 11 1  1  1  1   762.00
09&#58; Dabbaba 2.46       33.5/58 00 =0 01 00 00 =1 00 00 ·· 1  =  0  0  11 1= 1  0  0  10 0  0  0  1  0  11 11 =  01 1  11 11 1  1  11 11 11 1  1  1  1   593.50
10&#58; Chesley r317 ja    31.0/38 =  0  =  1  1  1  1  =  0  ·· 1  0  0  1     1  =  0  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1   644.25
11&#58; Micro-Max 4.8w     29.0/37 =  0  0  0  1  1  0  1  =  0  ·· 1  1     1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  =  0  1  1  =  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1     1  1   589.00
12&#58; Reger 0.09         28.5/37 0  =  0  =  =  =  1  1  1  1  0  ·· 1  1  1  1  0  1     =  =  =  1  1  1  1  1     0  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1   584.00
13&#58; Sjakk 1.1.3        28.5/38 0  1  =  0  0  1  =  1  1  1  0  0  ·· 1  1  =  0  =  1  1  1  1  1  0  =  1  1  1  1     1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1   578.50
14&#58; Ozwald 0.43        28.5/56 00 00 00 00 01 =0 10 =0 00 0     0  0  ·· == 1  =  0  01 =  0  0  0  =  1= 11 0  11 1  =1 11 1  1  11 11 11 1  1     1   471.50
15&#58; Rocinante 1.01     27.0/57 00 00 00 00 00 =0 01 00 0=    0  0  0  == ·· 0  0  1  00 0  0  1  0  =  11 0= =  11 =  11 11 1  1  11 11 11 1  1  1  1   389.75
16&#58; Brembo 0.62        26.0/38 1  0  0  0  0  0  1     0  0  0  0  =  0  1  ·· 1  1  =  =  1  1  1  1  1  1  =  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1   453.25
17&#58; Cleo 1             25.0/38 0  0  0  0  0  1  0  =  1  =  0  1  1  =  1  0  ·· 0  =  0  1  0  1  1  1     1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1   434.00
18&#58; Adamant 1.7        25.0/38 0  0  0  0  0     1  0  1  1  0  0  =  1  0  0  1  ·· 1  1  0  1  =  1  0  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1   421.25
19&#58; RBrChess 2.16      24.5/56 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 =1 01 0  0     0  10 11 =  =  0  ·· 0  0  0  0  0  00 00 0  11 0  11 11 1     11 11 11 1  1  1  1   397.00
20&#58; ArabianKnight 0.88 23.5/38 =  0  0  =  0  0  =  0  1  0  0  =  0  =  1  =  1  0  1  ·· 1  1  0  =  =  1  1  1  1  1     1  =  1  1  1  1  1  1  1   416.00
21&#58; Chessrikus 1.466   23.5/38 0  0     0  =  0  0  0  1  0  0  =  0  1  1  0  0  1  1  0  ·· =  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  0  1  1  1  1  1  1  1   386.00
22&#58; Alibaba 1.17       23.0/38 0  =  0  0  0  0  0  1  1  0  0  =  0  1  0  0  1  0  1  0  =  ·· =  1     1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1   378.75
23&#58; ALChess1.5b        23.0/38 0     =  0  0  =  0  0  0  0  =  0  0  1  1  0  0  =  1  1  0  =  ·· 1  1  1  =  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1   364.25
24&#58; Damas9             21.0/39 0  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  1  0  1  0  1  =  =  0  0  0  1  =  0  0  0  ·· 0  1  1  1  =  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1   333.50
25&#58; Trex 1.9           20.5/57 00 00 00 0= 00 00 00 00 00 0  0  0  =  0= 00 0  0  1  11 =  0     0  1  ·· 01 =  00 1  01 01 0  1  11 01 11 1  1  1  1   281.50
26&#58; Eden 0.013         18.5/57 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0  0  0  0  00 1= 0     0  11 0  0  0  0  0  10 ·· =  01 0  01 11 0  0  1= 11 11 1  1  1  1   220.25
27&#58; Frittle 0.5        18.0/38 0  0  0     0  0  0  0  =  0  =  0  0  1  =  =  0  0  1  0  0  0  =  0  =  =  ·· =  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1  1   241.50
28&#58; Numpty 0.5pr       17.5/56 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 10 0  0     0  00 00 0  0  0  00 0  0  0  0  0  11 10 =  ·· 0  =0 10 =  1  11 11 11    1  1  1   225.25
29&#58; Gedeone 1620       14.0/38 0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  0  0  0  1  0  0  =  0  0  0  1  0  0  0  0  =  0  1  0  1  ·· =  1  0  =  1  1     1  1  1  1   200.25
30&#58; Nanook 0.17        13.5/56 =0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0  0  0     =0 00 0  0  0  00 0  0  0  0  0  10 10 0  =1 =  ·· 11 0  1  == == 1= =  1     =   174.50
31&#58; Xadreco 5.7        11.5/57 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0  0  0  0  00 00 0  0  0  00    0  0  0  0  10 00 0  01 0  00 ·· 0  0  1= 11 11 1  1  1  1    85.25
32&#58; Joana_DC           11.0/38 0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  1  1  0  =  1  1  1  ·· 1  0  1  =     1  1  1   111.50
33&#58; Fimbulwinter 5.02  11.0/38 0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0     =  1  0  0  0  0  1  0  0  =  0  1  0  ·· 1  1  1  1  1  1  1   102.25
34&#58; Youk 1.05          9.5/58  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0  0  0  0  00 00 0  0  0  00 0  0  0  0  0  00 0= 0  00 0  == 0= 1  0  ·· 10 =1 1  1  1  1    62.75
35&#58; Geko 0.43          7.0/57  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0  0  0  0  00 00 0  0  0  00 0  0  0  0  0  10 00 0  00 0  == 00 0  0  01 ·· == 1  1  1       56.00
36&#58; Sachy 0.2.01       5.5/57  00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0  0  0  0  00 00 0  0  0  00 0  0  0  0  0  00 00 0  00    0= 00 =  0  =0 == ·· =  =  1  1    29.25
37&#58; Neg 0.3d           4.0/37  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0     0  =  0     0  0  0  =  ·· 1  1  1    13.50
38&#58; Ace v0.1           1.5/38  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0     0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  =  0  ·· =  =     4.00
39&#58; Pos-1.20           1.5/37  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0     0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0     0  0  0  0  0  0  0  =  ·· 1     1.75
40&#58; Cpp1               1.0/38  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  0  =  0  0  0  0     0  0  =  0  ··    7.50

949 of 1560 games played

Buggy engines still in the tournament (I will take a decision about them later)

- Joana DC by Juan Pablo Mendoza (when playing with white pieces does not accept opponent's short castle and loses by time. 5 losses on time out of 38 games.)
- Yoda 1.30 does not accept opponent's underpromotion to other piece different of a queen. (as this happens ocasionally, Yoda won't appear in this list in the next update. Anyway, it seems Yoda is going to be removed at the end of the cycle being at the top10 right now.)

Regards,
Carlos

PS: I will travel in few hours, therefore I'll be far from my PC for some days. So, next update will be in 6 or 7 days.

Carlos777 · Post by **Carlos777** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 2:56 am

swami wrote: I did see the top 2 Jabba and KMTChess in there and thought these engines were around 2000 and ones below them were probably around 1800. Hence my assumption 1800-2000.

Hi Swami,

Yes, I did not know too much about these engines at the time. As they had already played many games, I decided to keep them. Less strong engines will compete in the next cycle (this is the goal of this peculiar tournament

).

Best,
Carlos

hgm · Post by **hgm** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 9:32 am

Carlos777 wrote:Not working under Arena: (if someone has an idea on how to make them work, please reply)

ChessV 0.94

The engine command line for ChessV 0.94 has to be:

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ChessV_WinBoard "Orthodox Chess"

It seems that Arena cannot handle this (or people simply have not found out what they have to tell Arena to produce this command line when installing the engine).

Possible work-arounds are:

1) Put that command line in a batch file chessv.bat, and then install that batch file as an engine in Arena.

2) Make a ChessV .SGF file (saved-game file), say CHESS.SGF for the initial position of Orthodox Chess by saving from the stand-alone version of ChessV, or read the instructions that come with ChessV on how to make such a file for specifying variants, and follow those. Then install ChessV in Arena with the engine command:

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ChessV_WinBoard CHESS.SGF

so that you do not need the quotes around the argument that specifies the variant.

Even under WinBoard + PSWBTM I have to use the latter trick to make ChessV play Bird's Chess, as I have found no way yet to get the single quote in the variant name into the engine command line. With a bare WinBoard I can use /fcp={ChessV_WinBoard "Bird's Chess"}, but PSWBTM puts single quotes around the /fcp argument, and that is what makes WinBoard choke on it.

metax · Post by **metax** » Mon Jan 18, 2010 5:32 pm

What is the approximate rating scale for '1700 or lower'?

In CCRL rating, I would estimate ChessMind at 1930-1950 Elo based on games against Surprise. But in other rating scales, the ratings are often lower.

However, based on games against humans, I would estimate ChessMind at 1700-1750 'human Elo'.

I think in the CCRL rating scale Jabba would have around 1980-2000 Elo or even more.

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