Just shows that great minds think alike.Carlos777 wrote:Hi Graham,Graham Banks wrote:Nice concept Carlos.
http://www.kirill-kryukov.com/chess/dis ... =forgotten
Mine had a different concept.
I swear I did not see your tournament until now.
Sorry to name my tourney with the same as yours.
Yes, a different concept. I think it would be interesting to some people, at least it is a lot of fun for me.
Best,
Carlos
Battle of the Forgotten
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I just checked the list, Bison is at 9.6a. Whoops didn't update. Perhaps I will run the suite again with Bison 9.8 and see what the scores turn out to be.Carlos777 wrote:Hi Swami,swami wrote:Thank you.
Interesting information about engines in 1800-2000 range of the ratings scale.
Thanks. I just downloaded your spreadsheet with the results of the engines in your STS tests. Very interesting info. Can you make another one with all engines tested so far?
Best,
Carlos
Edit:
- Surprising results for Booot 4.15 (not in a good way )
- The version of Bison is 9.8 or 9.11 ?
Yes, Booot is one of the very rare exceptions that doesn't correspond well when subjected to test suites testing. Just like Zappa and Smarthink 0.17a with poor time management in bullet.
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Update:
Cheoss 0.649 was removed due losses on time (5 out of 14 games = 35.7%,) some times early in the game (apparently illegal moves. BTW, anybody know how to save the debug files automatically in Arena?)
Cpp1 replaced Cheoss.
Buggy engines still in the tournament (I will take a decision about them later)
- Joana DC by Juan Pablo Mendoza (when playing with white pieces does not accept opponent's short castle and loses by time. 4 losses on time out of 25 games.)
- Yoda 1.30 does not accept opponent's underpromotion to other piece different of a queen.
So far, these engines are disqualified of the tournament:
Not working under Arena: (if someone has an idea on how to make them work, please reply)
ChessV 0.94
Lose on time:
Alice 0.3.5
Blitzkibitz rev4
Cheoss 0.649
Hippocampe 0.4.2
Mainsworthy 64.01.7
NSVChess 0.14
Suff 0.3a
Illegal moves:
Dendron 0.42ja (castles under check)
Always ponder:
Apilchess 1.05-r1b ja
Braincrack alpha JA
CPW 050908ja
Plisk 0.12
Crash:
Chess0 v0.3.2
Do not support x+y time management:
Chad's Chess 0.15
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Engine Score Ja Si KM Ro Si Cu Yo My Da Oz Ro RB Ch Tr Re Mi Sj Ad Ed Nu Al Br Cl AL Na Ar Ch Xa Ge Fr Fi Da Yo Ge Jo Sa Ne Ac Po Cp S-B
01: Jabba 1.0 50.5/58 ·· 0= 10 00 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 11 = 11 1 = 1 1 11 11 1 0 1 1 =1 = 1 11 1 1 1 1 11 11 1 11 1 1 1 1 918.00
02: Simplex 0.0 44.5/52 1= ·· 1= == 01 11 01 01 =1 11 11 11 11 = 1 0 1 11 11 = 11 1 1 11 1 1 1 11 11 1 11 1 1 1 853.75
03: KMTChess 1.1 43.5/51 01 0= ·· 11 11 11 00 11 10 11 11 10 11 1 = 1 11 11 1 1 = 11 1 11 1 1 11 11 1 11 1 1 1 834.50
04: Roce 0.0390 43.5/51 11 == 00 ·· =0 10 1= 10 11 11 11 11 1= 1 1 1 11 11 1 1 11 1 11 1 1 1 11 11 1 11 1 1 1 794.25
05: Sissa 1.00 42.5/54 00 10 00 =1 ·· 11 1= =0 11 10 11 11 0 11 = 0 1 11 11 1 1 1 1 11 1 = 11 1 1 1 11 11 1 11 1 1 749.25
06: Cuckoo Chess 1.0 37.5/52 00 00 00 01 00 ·· 11 =1 11 01 10 11 11 1 = 0 11 11 1 11 = 1 11 1 1 1 0 11 11 1 11 1 1 1 594.50
07: Yoda 1.30 36.0/51 00 10 11 0= 0= 00 ·· 11 =0 =1 =1 11 0 11 = 0 11 10 1 1 0 11 1 11 1 1 1 11 11 1 11 1 1 630.75
08: Myrddin 0.81a2 34.0/50 00 10 00 01 =1 =0 00 ·· 11 =1 11 =0 11 0 0 11 11 0 1 11 1 1 11 0 1 1 11 11 1 11 1 1 572.00
09: Dabbaba 2.46 30.5/52 00 =0 01 00 00 00 =1 00 ·· 11 1= 10 1 11 = 0 0 11 01 1 1 11 0 0 11 = 1 0 11 11 1 11 1 1 471.50
10: Ozwald 0.43 25.5/48 00 00 00 00 01 10 =0 =0 00 ·· == 01 1= 0 0 11 11 0 =1 0 11 1 1 = 11 11 1 11 1 1 360.75
11: Rocinante 1.01 24.0/50 00 00 00 00 00 01 =0 00 0= == ·· 00 11 0 1 0= 11 1 0 0 0 11 0 11 = 1 11 11 1 11 1 1 308.25
12: RBrChess 2.16 22.5/51 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 =1 01 10 11 ·· 0 00 0 0 0 00 11 = = 0 11 0 11 0 0 11 11 1 11 1 1 336.50
13: Chesley r317 ja 18.0/21 = 1 1 0 1 ·· 1 1 0 1 1 1 = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 272.75
14: Trex 1.9 18.0/52 00 00 00 0= 00 00 00 00 00 0= 00 11 0 ·· 0 = 1 01 00 0 0 0 01 = 01 1 1 11 01 0 11 1 1 1 201.00
15: Reger 0.09 17.5/23 0 = = = 1 1 1 ·· 0 1 1 = 1 = 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 235.50
16: Micro-Max 4.8w 17.0/24 = 0 0 0 1 0 1 = 1 0 1 ·· 1 1 1 1 = 1 1 1 = 1 1 1 1 282.00
17: Sjakk 1.1.3 16.0/23 0 1 = 0 0 = 1 1 1 1 1 = 0 ·· 1 = 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 310.50
18: Adamant 1.7 16.0/24 0 0 0 0 1 1 1 0 1 0 0 ·· 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 213.50
19: Eden 0.013 16.0/49 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 1= 11 0 10 0 0 0 ·· 01 0 0 01 0 11 0 0 1= 11 11 1 1 185.25
20: Numpty 0.5pr 15.5/48 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 10 00 00 00 0 11 0 10 ·· 0 0 0 =0 0 10 = 11 11 = 11 1 1 181.50
21: Alibaba 1.17 14.5/23 0 = 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 = 0 1 ·· 1 = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 183.75
22: Brembo 0.62 14.0/22 1 0 0 0 0 1 = 0 1 0 = 1 1 ·· 1 1 = = 1 1 1 1 1 206.00
23: Cleo 1 14.0/20 0 0 1 1 = = 1 0 1 1 0 ·· 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 176.75
24: ALChess1.5b 12.5/24 0 = 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 = 0 1 0 0 ·· 1 1 = 1 1 1 1 1 162.50
25: Nanook 0.17 12.5/48 =0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 =0 00 00 10 0 0 0 10 =1 0 ·· 0 11 = 1 0 == == 0 1= 1 151.50
26: ArabianKnight 0.88 12.0/23 = 0 0 0 = 0 0 1 1 1 0 = 0 0 1 1 = 1 0 ·· 1 1 1 1 202.50
27: Chessrikus 1.466 11.5/19 0 0 0 = 0 0 1 1 = 1 = 1 ·· 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 160.25
28: Xadreco 5.7 10.5/52 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 10 0 0 0 0 00 01 0 0 00 0 ·· 0 0 0 1= 11 0 11 1 1 1 68.25
29: Gedeone 1620 10.0/23 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 = 1 0 1 0 1 0 = 0 ·· = = 1 1 1 1 134.00
30: Frittle 0.5 9.5/23 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 1 0 = 0 = = 0 = 0 1 ·· 1 1 1 1 1 102.75
31: Fimbulwinter 5.02 8.5/23 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 1 1 = ·· 0 1 1 1 1 1 65.00
32: Damas9 8.0/20 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 = 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 = 1 ·· 1 1 120.25
33: Youk 1.05 7.5/50 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0 00 0 0 0= 00 0 0 0 == 0= 0 0 0 ·· 10 1 =1 1 1 48.50
34: Geko 0.43 7.0/52 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0 10 0 0 00 00 0 0 0 0 == 0 00 0 0 0 01 ·· == 1 1 1 45.50
35: Joana_DC no book 6.0/28 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 = 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 0 ·· = 1 1 51.50
36: Sachy 0.2.01 4.5/52 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0 00 0 0 00 00 0 0 0 0 0= 0 00 0 0 =0 == = ·· = = 1 21.50
37: Neg 0.3d 2.5/23 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 = ·· 1 1 2.75
38: Ace v0.1 0.5/27 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 ·· 2.25
39: Pos-1.20 0.0/24 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ·· 0.00
39: Cpp1 0.0/8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 ·· 0.00
734 of 1560 games played
Cpp1 replaced Cheoss.
Buggy engines still in the tournament (I will take a decision about them later)
- Joana DC by Juan Pablo Mendoza (when playing with white pieces does not accept opponent's short castle and loses by time. 4 losses on time out of 25 games.)
- Yoda 1.30 does not accept opponent's underpromotion to other piece different of a queen.
So far, these engines are disqualified of the tournament:
Not working under Arena: (if someone has an idea on how to make them work, please reply)
ChessV 0.94
Lose on time:
Alice 0.3.5
Blitzkibitz rev4
Cheoss 0.649
Hippocampe 0.4.2
Mainsworthy 64.01.7
NSVChess 0.14
Suff 0.3a
Illegal moves:
Dendron 0.42ja (castles under check)
Always ponder:
Apilchess 1.05-r1b ja
Braincrack alpha JA
CPW 050908ja
Plisk 0.12
Crash:
Chess0 v0.3.2
Do not support x+y time management:
Chad's Chess 0.15
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Jabba better than expected.
Thanks a lot for the result, I'll post it on my blog
Regards
Richard
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Hi Richard,Richard Allbert wrote:
Jabba better than expected.
Thanks a lot for the result, I'll post it on my blog
Regards
Richard
Not at all, Jabba is a nice engine.
Jabba was one of the first programs I was testing (before the "real" tournament began). I opted for keeping it in the tournament, in spite of the strenght showed until then.
Here is a logo for Jabba: (thanks to David Dahlem)
I am thinking about testing Lime, but I am afraid it would be too strong for this field. What do you think?
Regards,
Carlos
PS:
More logos from David:
Cuckoo Chess
Stockfish 1.6s
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In fact it is even slightly below that:swami wrote:Thank you.
Interesting information about engines in 1800-2000 range of the ratings scale.
which by no means makes it less interesting, of course.Carlos777 wrote:The conditions to participate are:
1. Engines should have an approx. ELO of 1700 or lower.
Sven
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Yes, I think Lime is too strong for the list!
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Yes, I hadn't read that until later.Sven Schüle wrote:In fact it is even slightly below that:swami wrote:Thank you.
Interesting information about engines in 1800-2000 range of the ratings scale.which by no means makes it less interesting, of course.Carlos777 wrote:The conditions to participate are:
1. Engines should have an approx. ELO of 1700 or lower.
Sven
I did see the top 2 Jabba and KMTChess in there and thought these engines were around 2000 and ones below them were probably around 1800. Hence my assumption 1800-2000.
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Ok Richard, thanks.Richard Allbert wrote:Yes, I think Lime is too strong for the list!
Update
Current crosstable:
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Engine Score Ja Si KM Ro Si Yo Cu My Da Ch Mi Re Sj Oz Ro Br Cl Ad RB Ar Ch Al AL Da Tr Ed Fr Nu Ge Na Xa Jo Fi Yo Ge Sa Ne Ac Po Cp S-B
01: Jabba 1.0 50.5/58 ·· 0= 10 00 11 11 11 11 11 = = 1 1 11 11 0 1 1 11 = 1 1 1 1 11 11 1 11 1 =1 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 1135.2
02: Simplex 0.0 49.5/57 1= ·· 1= == 01 01 11 01 =1 1 1 = 0 11 11 1 1 1 11 1 1 = 1 11 11 1 11 1 11 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 1112.7
03: KMTChess 1.1 49.0/57 01 0= ·· 11 11 00 11 11 10 = 1 1 = 11 11 1 1 1 10 1 1 = 1 11 11 1 11 1 11 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 1102.5
04: Roce 0.0390 47.5/57 11 == 00 ·· =0 1= 10 10 11 0 1 = 1 11 11 1 1 1 11 = 1 1 1 1 1= 11 11 1 11 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 1031.7
05: Sissa 1.00 46.5/58 00 10 00 =1 ·· 1= 11 =0 11 0 0 = 1 10 11 1 1 1 11 1 = 1 1 1 11 11 1 11 1 11 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 970.50
06: Yoda 1.30 40.5/57 00 10 11 0= 0= ·· 00 11 =0 0 0 = 0 =1 =1 1 0 11 1 1 1 = 1 11 11 1 10 1 11 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 815.75
07: Cuckoo Chess 1.0 40.5/58 00 00 00 01 00 11 ·· =1 11 0 1 0 = 01 10 0 1 0 11 = 1 1 1 0 11 11 1 11 1 11 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 777.00
08: Myrddin 0.81a2 39.0/57 00 10 00 01 =1 00 =0 ·· 11 = 0 0 0 =1 11 = 1 =0 1 1 0 1 1 11 11 1 11 0 11 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 762.00
09: Dabbaba 2.46 33.5/58 00 =0 01 00 00 =1 00 00 ·· 1 = 0 0 11 1= 1 0 0 10 0 0 0 1 0 11 11 = 01 1 11 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 593.50
10: Chesley r317 ja 31.0/38 = 0 = 1 1 1 1 = 0 ·· 1 0 0 1 1 = 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 644.25
11: Micro-Max 4.8w 29.0/37 = 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 = 0 ·· 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 = 0 1 1 = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 589.00
12: Reger 0.09 28.5/37 0 = 0 = = = 1 1 1 1 0 ·· 1 1 1 1 0 1 = = = 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 584.00
13: Sjakk 1.1.3 28.5/38 0 1 = 0 0 1 = 1 1 1 0 0 ·· 1 1 = 0 = 1 1 1 1 1 0 = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 578.50
14: Ozwald 0.43 28.5/56 00 00 00 00 01 =0 10 =0 00 0 0 0 ·· == 1 = 0 01 = 0 0 0 = 1= 11 0 11 1 =1 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 471.50
15: Rocinante 1.01 27.0/57 00 00 00 00 00 =0 01 00 0= 0 0 0 == ·· 0 0 1 00 0 0 1 0 = 11 0= = 11 = 11 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 389.75
16: Brembo 0.62 26.0/38 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 = 0 1 ·· 1 1 = = 1 1 1 1 1 1 = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 453.25
17: Cleo 1 25.0/38 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 = 1 = 0 1 1 = 1 0 ·· 0 = 0 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 434.00
18: Adamant 1.7 25.0/38 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 = 1 0 0 1 ·· 1 1 0 1 = 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 421.25
19: RBrChess 2.16 24.5/56 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 =1 01 0 0 0 10 11 = = 0 ·· 0 0 0 0 0 00 00 0 11 0 11 11 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 397.00
20: ArabianKnight 0.88 23.5/38 = 0 0 = 0 0 = 0 1 0 0 = 0 = 1 = 1 0 1 ·· 1 1 0 = = 1 1 1 1 1 1 = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 416.00
21: Chessrikus 1.466 23.5/38 0 0 0 = 0 0 0 1 0 0 = 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 ·· = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 386.00
22: Alibaba 1.17 23.0/38 0 = 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 = 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 = ·· = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 378.75
23: ALChess1.5b 23.0/38 0 = 0 0 = 0 0 0 0 = 0 0 1 1 0 0 = 1 1 0 = ·· 1 1 1 = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 364.25
24: Damas9 21.0/39 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 = = 0 0 0 1 = 0 0 0 ·· 0 1 1 1 = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 333.50
25: Trex 1.9 20.5/57 00 00 00 0= 00 00 00 00 00 0 0 0 = 0= 00 0 0 1 11 = 0 0 1 ·· 01 = 00 1 01 01 0 1 11 01 11 1 1 1 1 281.50
26: Eden 0.013 18.5/57 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0 0 0 0 00 1= 0 0 11 0 0 0 0 0 10 ·· = 01 0 01 11 0 0 1= 11 11 1 1 1 1 220.25
27: Frittle 0.5 18.0/38 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 = 0 0 1 = = 0 0 1 0 0 0 = 0 = = ·· = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 241.50
28: Numpty 0.5pr 17.5/56 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 10 0 0 0 00 00 0 0 0 00 0 0 0 0 0 11 10 = ·· 0 =0 10 = 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 225.25
29: Gedeone 1620 14.0/38 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 = 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 = 0 1 0 1 ·· = 1 0 = 1 1 1 1 1 1 200.25
30: Nanook 0.17 13.5/56 =0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0 0 0 =0 00 0 0 0 00 0 0 0 0 0 10 10 0 =1 = ·· 11 0 1 == == 1= = 1 = 174.50
31: Xadreco 5.7 11.5/57 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0 0 0 0 00 00 0 0 0 00 0 0 0 0 10 00 0 01 0 00 ·· 0 0 1= 11 11 1 1 1 1 85.25
32: Joana_DC 11.0/38 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 = 1 1 1 ·· 1 0 1 = 1 1 1 111.50
33: Fimbulwinter 5.02 11.0/38 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 = 0 1 0 ·· 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 102.25
34: Youk 1.05 9.5/58 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0 0 0 0 00 00 0 0 0 00 0 0 0 0 0 00 0= 0 00 0 == 0= 1 0 ·· 10 =1 1 1 1 1 62.75
35: Geko 0.43 7.0/57 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0 0 0 0 00 00 0 0 0 00 0 0 0 0 0 10 00 0 00 0 == 00 0 0 01 ·· == 1 1 1 56.00
36: Sachy 0.2.01 5.5/57 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0 0 0 0 00 00 0 0 0 00 0 0 0 0 0 00 00 0 00 0= 00 = 0 =0 == ·· = = 1 1 29.25
37: Neg 0.3d 4.0/37 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 0 0 0 = ·· 1 1 1 13.50
38: Ace v0.1 1.5/38 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 ·· = = 4.00
39: Pos-1.20 1.5/37 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 = ·· 1 1.75
40: Cpp1 1.0/38 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 ·· 7.50
949 of 1560 games played
- Joana DC by Juan Pablo Mendoza (when playing with white pieces does not accept opponent's short castle and loses by time. 5 losses on time out of 38 games.)
- Yoda 1.30 does not accept opponent's underpromotion to other piece different of a queen. (as this happens ocasionally, Yoda won't appear in this list in the next update. Anyway, it seems Yoda is going to be removed at the end of the cycle being at the top10 right now.)
Regards,
Carlos
PS: I will travel in few hours, therefore I'll be far from my PC for some days. So, next update will be in 6 or 7 days.
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Hi Swami,swami wrote: I did see the top 2 Jabba and KMTChess in there and thought these engines were around 2000 and ones below them were probably around 1800. Hence my assumption 1800-2000.
Yes, I did not know too much about these engines at the time. As they had already played many games, I decided to keep them. Less strong engines will compete in the next cycle (this is the goal of this peculiar tournament ).
Best,
Carlos