Battle of the Forgotten
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Re: Battle of the Forgotten
Yes, I think Lime is too strong for the list!
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Re: Battle of the Forgotten
Yes, I hadn't read that until later.Sven Schüle wrote:In fact it is even slightly below that:swami wrote:Thank you.
Interesting information about engines in 1800-2000 range of the ratings scale.which by no means makes it less interesting, of course.Carlos777 wrote:The conditions to participate are:
1. Engines should have an approx. ELO of 1700 or lower.
Sven
I did see the top 2 Jabba and KMTChess in there and thought these engines were around 2000 and ones below them were probably around 1800. Hence my assumption 1800-2000.
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Re: Battle of the Forgotten
Ok Richard, thanks.Richard Allbert wrote:Yes, I think Lime is too strong for the list!
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Current crosstable:
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Engine Score Ja Si KM Ro Si Yo Cu My Da Ch Mi Re Sj Oz Ro Br Cl Ad RB Ar Ch Al AL Da Tr Ed Fr Nu Ge Na Xa Jo Fi Yo Ge Sa Ne Ac Po Cp S-B
01: Jabba 1.0 50.5/58 ·· 0= 10 00 11 11 11 11 11 = = 1 1 11 11 0 1 1 11 = 1 1 1 1 11 11 1 11 1 =1 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 1135.2
02: Simplex 0.0 49.5/57 1= ·· 1= == 01 01 11 01 =1 1 1 = 0 11 11 1 1 1 11 1 1 = 1 11 11 1 11 1 11 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 1112.7
03: KMTChess 1.1 49.0/57 01 0= ·· 11 11 00 11 11 10 = 1 1 = 11 11 1 1 1 10 1 1 = 1 11 11 1 11 1 11 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 1102.5
04: Roce 0.0390 47.5/57 11 == 00 ·· =0 1= 10 10 11 0 1 = 1 11 11 1 1 1 11 = 1 1 1 1 1= 11 11 1 11 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 1031.7
05: Sissa 1.00 46.5/58 00 10 00 =1 ·· 1= 11 =0 11 0 0 = 1 10 11 1 1 1 11 1 = 1 1 1 11 11 1 11 1 11 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 970.50
06: Yoda 1.30 40.5/57 00 10 11 0= 0= ·· 00 11 =0 0 0 = 0 =1 =1 1 0 11 1 1 1 = 1 11 11 1 10 1 11 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 815.75
07: Cuckoo Chess 1.0 40.5/58 00 00 00 01 00 11 ·· =1 11 0 1 0 = 01 10 0 1 0 11 = 1 1 1 0 11 11 1 11 1 11 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 777.00
08: Myrddin 0.81a2 39.0/57 00 10 00 01 =1 00 =0 ·· 11 = 0 0 0 =1 11 = 1 =0 1 1 0 1 1 11 11 1 11 0 11 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 762.00
09: Dabbaba 2.46 33.5/58 00 =0 01 00 00 =1 00 00 ·· 1 = 0 0 11 1= 1 0 0 10 0 0 0 1 0 11 11 = 01 1 11 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 593.50
10: Chesley r317 ja 31.0/38 = 0 = 1 1 1 1 = 0 ·· 1 0 0 1 1 = 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 644.25
11: Micro-Max 4.8w 29.0/37 = 0 0 0 1 1 0 1 = 0 ·· 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 = 0 1 1 = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 589.00
12: Reger 0.09 28.5/37 0 = 0 = = = 1 1 1 1 0 ·· 1 1 1 1 0 1 = = = 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 584.00
13: Sjakk 1.1.3 28.5/38 0 1 = 0 0 1 = 1 1 1 0 0 ·· 1 1 = 0 = 1 1 1 1 1 0 = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 578.50
14: Ozwald 0.43 28.5/56 00 00 00 00 01 =0 10 =0 00 0 0 0 ·· == 1 = 0 01 = 0 0 0 = 1= 11 0 11 1 =1 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 471.50
15: Rocinante 1.01 27.0/57 00 00 00 00 00 =0 01 00 0= 0 0 0 == ·· 0 0 1 00 0 0 1 0 = 11 0= = 11 = 11 11 1 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 389.75
16: Brembo 0.62 26.0/38 1 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 = 0 1 ·· 1 1 = = 1 1 1 1 1 1 = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 453.25
17: Cleo 1 25.0/38 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 = 1 = 0 1 1 = 1 0 ·· 0 = 0 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 434.00
18: Adamant 1.7 25.0/38 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 1 0 0 = 1 0 0 1 ·· 1 1 0 1 = 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 421.25
19: RBrChess 2.16 24.5/56 00 00 01 00 00 00 00 =1 01 0 0 0 10 11 = = 0 ·· 0 0 0 0 0 00 00 0 11 0 11 11 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 1 397.00
20: ArabianKnight 0.88 23.5/38 = 0 0 = 0 0 = 0 1 0 0 = 0 = 1 = 1 0 1 ·· 1 1 0 = = 1 1 1 1 1 1 = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 416.00
21: Chessrikus 1.466 23.5/38 0 0 0 = 0 0 0 1 0 0 = 0 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 ·· = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 0 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 386.00
22: Alibaba 1.17 23.0/38 0 = 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 0 = 0 1 0 0 1 0 1 0 = ·· = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 378.75
23: ALChess1.5b 23.0/38 0 = 0 0 = 0 0 0 0 = 0 0 1 1 0 0 = 1 1 0 = ·· 1 1 1 = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 364.25
24: Damas9 21.0/39 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 1 0 1 0 1 = = 0 0 0 1 = 0 0 0 ·· 0 1 1 1 = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 333.50
25: Trex 1.9 20.5/57 00 00 00 0= 00 00 00 00 00 0 0 0 = 0= 00 0 0 1 11 = 0 0 1 ·· 01 = 00 1 01 01 0 1 11 01 11 1 1 1 1 281.50
26: Eden 0.013 18.5/57 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0 0 0 0 00 1= 0 0 11 0 0 0 0 0 10 ·· = 01 0 01 11 0 0 1= 11 11 1 1 1 1 220.25
27: Frittle 0.5 18.0/38 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 = 0 0 1 = = 0 0 1 0 0 0 = 0 = = ·· = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 241.50
28: Numpty 0.5pr 17.5/56 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 00 10 0 0 0 00 00 0 0 0 00 0 0 0 0 0 11 10 = ·· 0 =0 10 = 1 11 11 11 1 1 1 225.25
29: Gedeone 1620 14.0/38 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0 = 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 = 0 1 0 1 ·· = 1 0 = 1 1 1 1 1 1 200.25
30: Nanook 0.17 13.5/56 =0 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0 0 0 =0 00 0 0 0 00 0 0 0 0 0 10 10 0 =1 = ·· 11 0 1 == == 1= = 1 = 174.50
31: Xadreco 5.7 11.5/57 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0 0 0 0 00 00 0 0 0 00 0 0 0 0 10 00 0 01 0 00 ·· 0 0 1= 11 11 1 1 1 1 85.25
32: Joana_DC 11.0/38 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 = 1 1 1 ·· 1 0 1 = 1 1 1 111.50
33: Fimbulwinter 5.02 11.0/38 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 1 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 = 0 1 0 ·· 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 102.25
34: Youk 1.05 9.5/58 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0 0 0 0 00 00 0 0 0 00 0 0 0 0 0 00 0= 0 00 0 == 0= 1 0 ·· 10 =1 1 1 1 1 62.75
35: Geko 0.43 7.0/57 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0 0 0 0 00 00 0 0 0 00 0 0 0 0 0 10 00 0 00 0 == 00 0 0 01 ·· == 1 1 1 56.00
36: Sachy 0.2.01 5.5/57 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 0 0 0 0 00 00 0 0 0 00 0 0 0 0 0 00 00 0 00 0= 00 = 0 =0 == ·· = = 1 1 29.25
37: Neg 0.3d 4.0/37 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 0 0 0 = ·· 1 1 1 13.50
38: Ace v0.1 1.5/38 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 ·· = = 4.00
39: Pos-1.20 1.5/37 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 = ·· 1 1.75
40: Cpp1 1.0/38 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 0 0 0 0 0 = 0 ·· 7.50
949 of 1560 games played
- Joana DC by Juan Pablo Mendoza (when playing with white pieces does not accept opponent's short castle and loses by time. 5 losses on time out of 38 games.)
- Yoda 1.30 does not accept opponent's underpromotion to other piece different of a queen. (as this happens ocasionally, Yoda won't appear in this list in the next update. Anyway, it seems Yoda is going to be removed at the end of the cycle being at the top10 right now.)
Regards,
Carlos
PS: I will travel in few hours, therefore I'll be far from my PC for some days. So, next update will be in 6 or 7 days.
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Re: Battle of the Forgotten
Hi Swami,swami wrote: I did see the top 2 Jabba and KMTChess in there and thought these engines were around 2000 and ones below them were probably around 1800. Hence my assumption 1800-2000.
Yes, I did not know too much about these engines at the time. As they had already played many games, I decided to keep them. Less strong engines will compete in the next cycle (this is the goal of this peculiar tournament ).
Best,
Carlos
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Re: Battle of the Forgotten
The engine command line for ChessV 0.94 has to be:Carlos777 wrote:Not working under Arena: (if someone has an idea on how to make them work, please reply)
ChessV 0.94
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ChessV_WinBoard "Orthodox Chess"
Possible work-arounds are:
1) Put that command line in a batch file chessv.bat, and then install that batch file as an engine in Arena.
2) Make a ChessV .SGF file (saved-game file), say CHESS.SGF for the initial position of Orthodox Chess by saving from the stand-alone version of ChessV, or read the instructions that come with ChessV on how to make such a file for specifying variants, and follow those. Then install ChessV in Arena with the engine command:
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ChessV_WinBoard CHESS.SGF
Even under WinBoard + PSWBTM I have to use the latter trick to make ChessV play Bird's Chess, as I have found no way yet to get the single quote in the variant name into the engine command line. With a bare WinBoard I can use /fcp={ChessV_WinBoard "Bird's Chess"}, but PSWBTM puts single quotes around the /fcp argument, and that is what makes WinBoard choke on it.
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Re: Battle of the Forgotten
What is the approximate rating scale for '1700 or lower'?
In CCRL rating, I would estimate ChessMind at 1930-1950 Elo based on games against Surprise. But in other rating scales, the ratings are often lower.
However, based on games against humans, I would estimate ChessMind at 1700-1750 'human Elo'.
I think in the CCRL rating scale Jabba would have around 1980-2000 Elo or even more.
In CCRL rating, I would estimate ChessMind at 1930-1950 Elo based on games against Surprise. But in other rating scales, the ratings are often lower.
However, based on games against humans, I would estimate ChessMind at 1700-1750 'human Elo'.
I think in the CCRL rating scale Jabba would have around 1980-2000 Elo or even more.
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Re: Battle of the Forgotten
This is great Carlos. I've been working on a rating list since August
and I am including engines of all strengths. Here is the bottom of my
list. I plan to include as many engines as I can make run on my computer
under Arena 2.01.
The only engine in this group that gives me problems is Testina2.2. It
loses some on time and sometimes makes illegal moves.
and I am including engines of all strengths. Here is the bottom of my
list. I plan to include as many engines as I can make run on my computer
under Arena 2.01.
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77 Warrior_103 -214 28 28 984 54% -246 20%
78 Smash -248 27 27 1063 49% -237 16%
79 SnailChess_4013 -252 29 29 1037 66% -398 15%
80 Surprise_4.3b13 -254 28 28 970 49% -244 16%
81 Clueless_14 -278 28 28 984 46% -241 11%
82 Embracer_112 -309 28 28 1023 60% -394 28%
83 Grizzly1401b -334 29 29 1023 57% -395 13%
84 Elf130 -403 29 29 1065 50% -401 16%
85 TSCP181 -430 28 28 1154 51% -438 15%
86 Mizar3.0 -453 30 30 1015 53% -477 18%
87 DChess1_0_2 -469 30 30 1018 51% -475 16%
88 Storm_06 -485 29 29 1034 49% -473 17%
89 Beaches226 -494 31 31 901 52% -507 14%
90 PolarChess1.2 -500 30 30 986 47% -475 17%
91 Bace_045 -513 29 29 1050 46% -473 17%
92 MSCP_144_uci_ja -517 31 31 981 51% -553 18%
93 Needle_0531 -563 31 31 872 53% -618 23%
94 LarsenVB -638 32 32 877 45% -616 15%
95 Pentagon_12 -657 31 31 869 35% -539 28%
96 StAndersen_v1.31_X64 -675 32 32 867 34% -539 15%
97 TarraschToyEngineV0.906 -681 31 31 942 32% -531 15%
98 Yawce016 -687 34 34 770 45% -660 10%
99 Nero_61 -717 32 32 961 33% -571 16%
100 Numpty_0.4pr -924 40 40 570 35% -807 17%
101 Marquis16 -951 45 45 536 50% -953 16%
102 Xadreco_v5.7 -1192 57 57 420 31% -956 13%
103 Testina2_2 -1259 64 64 241 34% -1096 31%
104 Pyotr-am_06 -1376 63 63 387 12% -947 18%
loses some on time and sometimes makes illegal moves.
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Re: Battle of the Forgotten
Hi HGM,hgm wrote:The engine command line for ChessV 0.94 has to be:Carlos777 wrote:Not working under Arena: (if someone has an idea on how to make them work, please reply)
ChessV 0.94
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ChessV_WinBoard "Orthodox Chess"
I tried adding "Orthodox Chess" in the command parameters box without success, I will try your suggestions when I back home.
Thanks,
Carlos
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Re: Battle of the Forgotten
Yes, people told me that Arena cannot handle quotes in the engine command line at all. But the sgf trick should work. I just tried it to play "Chess With Different Armies", because you could not even specify that from the command line without a new popup appearing to ask you which armies you want to pit against each other.
So what I did is just start a game of Chess with Different Armies by hand, select FIDE vs Color-bound Clobberers, and then immediately select "File -> Save Game". By giving the name of the save file as an arument, ChessV then plays that variant without problems under WinBoard + PSWBTM.
So what I did is just start a game of Chess with Different Armies by hand, select FIDE vs Color-bound Clobberers, and then immediately select "File -> Save Game". By giving the name of the save file as an arument, ChessV then plays that variant without problems under WinBoard + PSWBTM.
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Re: Battle of the Forgotten
I know that it is kind of ambiguous. As few tests have been done with low ELO engines (UEL is one of the few testing low ELO UCI engines, Open War and WBEC have done it too), there is no certainty about what engines should be considered 1700 ELO or less. Anyway, when I thought about 1700 ELO, I was thinking about human ELO.metax wrote:What is the approximate rating scale for '1700 or lower'?
In that case, I'd be glad to test ChessMind in the next cycle if you agree.However, based on games against humans, I would estimate ChessMind at 1700-1750 'human Elo'.
Yes, as I said before Jabba is probably too strong for this tournament. I did not know its strenght before testing.I think in the CCRL rating scale Jabba would have around 1980-2000 Elo or even more.
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