Has anyone ever heard of an engine called Smash?

[bigo]

I was wondering what it's ratings is? This seems to be the perfect engine to play against. Although It is stronger then me, I feel that it is beatable and it's a pleasure to play against. It makes positional errors and slight tactical errors, not gross blunders like the chessmaster personalities. It is much like a human player. The person who reccomended it says it's between 2000-2200 elo, I'd like to verify this.

[hgm]

It is at the bottom of the CCRL rating list:

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100 Feuerstein 0.4.5.1  2177 +40 −41 46.4%  +27.2 22.5% 222 
101 BigLion 2.23w       2154 +40 −40 48.1%  +14.2 22.3% 233 
102 Monarch 1.7         2150 +35 −36 35.8% +124.5 20.9% 335 
    Smash 1.0.3         2063 +48 −49 34.2% +123.3 17.0% 171 
103 Marvin 1.3.0        2061 +42 −44 32.2% +133.7 22.4% 214 
104 Clueless 1.4        2033 +41 −42 36.5% +105.8 17.4% 219 
105 Micro-Max 4.8       2024 +38 −39 33.8% +121.2 23.3% 253 

It is a good sparring partner for my 100-line engine micro-Max.

[Tony Thomas]

I dont have as many games as CCRL but it is rated way lower...Ranked 158, the huge variation in rating could be due to Elostat messing up the rating of weaker engines.

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148 Clueless 1.3b                  : 1928   78  76    77    64.3 %   1826   11.7 %
149 BigLion 2.23w                  : 1924   71  69    94    64.4 %   1821    9.6 %
150 Laurifer 1.0                   : 1921   77  75    78    63.5 %   1825   11.5 %
151 BBChess 0.99b                  : 1920   75  74    82    62.2 %   1834    9.8 %
152 IACH 0.56E                     : 1919   72  71    84    61.9 %   1834   14.3 %
153 Ssechess 2.05DC                : 1918   77  76    78    62.8 %   1827   10.3 %
154 Alf 1.06                       : 1914   73  72    83    60.2 %   1842   12.0 %
155 Gerbil 02                      : 1912   74  72    80    62.5 %   1823   15.0 %
156 ChessAlex 1.4 r 3              : 1902   81  79    70    59.3 %   1837   10.0 %
157 FireFly 2.13                   : 1894   73  72    78    59.6 %   1827   16.7 %
158 Smash 1.03                     : 1891   69  68    83    57.8 %   1836   19.3 %
159 Gibbon 2.01b                   : 1889   75  74    73    56.2 %   1846   16.4 %
160 Feuerstein 0.4.5 beta 1        : 1872   74  73    73    55.5 %   1834   17.8 %
161 Warrior 1.0.3                  : 1869   76  76    71    55.6 %   1829   15.5 %
162 Mustang 3.0                    : 1863   75  75    70    55.0 %   1828   18.6 %
163 Marvin 1.3.0                   : 1848   73  73    79    53.2 %   1826   12.7 %
164 FreeChess 2.16e                : 1832   72  72    77    50.6 %   1827   15.6 %
165 Enigma 1.1.4                   : 1805   75  75    77    46.8 %   1828   10.4 %
166 Alex 1.78                      : 1805   70  71    86    45.3 %   1837   11.6 %
167 Rival 1.14                     : 1800   82  83    70    46.4 %   1824    1.4 %
168 Eagle 0.7.5                    : 1791   79  80    71    44.4 %   1830    7.0 %
169 Amundsen 0.55                  : 1769   74  75    78    41.7 %   1827   11.5 %
170 Adamant 1.7                    : 1764   76  77    77    40.9 %   1828    9.1 %
171 J.S.BAM 0.52                   : 1755   74  75    78    39.7 %   1827   12.8 %
172 Kanguruh 1.92                  : 1745   80  83    71    36.6 %   1841    8.5 %

[hgm]

The rating list of CCRL is compressed nearly 20% compared to, for example, WBEC. It might indeed be a difference between different rating extraction methods. As most lists calibrate on the top engines, weak engines are usually rated higher at CCRL.

On the other hand, I did run micro-Max at ICC for a week, playing many blitz (5') and normal (20') games. For both these classes it obtained a rating of 2260 at the end.

It was much in demand, because indeed it seemed beatable, and occasionally lost a game. Opponents that played it kept coming back.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Hi,
Smash is in my amateur section in my rating list,the lowest division....
this is after playing 68 games at long time controls and btw it's an MP version


_Amateur Section
Simon 1.0 i 1872_3/60
Gringo 1.4.7m 1867_3/60
Mscp 1.6g 1868_3/60
Marquis 0.1.5 1865_3/60
Rainman 0.7.5 1865_3/60
Mint 2.3 1864_3/60
TJchess 078R2 1862_3/60
Soldat 0.25b i 1839_31,5/112
Smash 1.0.3 MP i 1835_3/68
Nero 6.1 1834_7/52
TSCP 1.81Cr n 1830_17/76
SEE 0.6.7 i 1822_3/60
Warrior 1.0.3 1820_3/60
Roque 1.1 i 1804_2/60
Cassandre 0.24 i 1766_4,5/48
T-rex 1.8.5 i 1760_4/48
Fause 0.32 1759_17/84
BACE 0.46 1746_13/84
BremboCE 0.4 1710_13,5/76
Tamerlane 0.2 i 1702_1/60
Yawce 0.16 i 1702_1/60
Zephyr 0.61 1702_1/60
Mooboo 0.04E i 1701_10/84
Stan's Chess 1.42 1678_1/60
Cefap 0.72 1672_8,5/68

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

The rating list of CCRL is compressed nearly 20% compared to, for example, WBEC. It might indeed be a difference between different rating extraction methods. As most lists calibrate on the top engines, weak engines are usually rated higher at CCRL.

On the other hand, I did run micro-Max at ICC for a week, playing many blitz (5') and normal (20') games. For both these classes it obtained a rating of 2260 at the end.

It was much in demand, because indeed it seemed beatable, and occasionally lost a game. Opponents that played it kept coming back.

The latest smash version plays around 1800 Elo and I can confirm this fact from the games I've played against it,I can beat it easily in a 10 games match

[hgm]

That might not mean a whole lot, as you are only a single opponent, and be especially experienced in dealing with computers.

I am not sure what all the numbers in your rating list mean, but if you group Smash with the other engines mentioned there, I think something must be wrong with the way you installed it. It is really incomparably stronger than most of those. The current version of micro-Max scores nearly 50% against it. And I have tested uMax against many of the engines on your list, during its development, and at the end it totally crushed most of them, to the extent that I had to replace them from the standard gauntlett, because playing them was basically a waste of time (contributing more to the noise than to the rating).

[bigo]

The latest smash version plays around 1800 Elo and I can confirm this fact from the games I've played against it,I can beat it easily in a 10 games match




Sorry Dr. Weeb

But I find this very hard to believe, I'm rated 2032 fide and played two serious games with Smash and I lost both games 40moves 1hour.
Also I'm trying to rate it against several chessmaster 10 personalities and after 6 games it has a rating of 2180, I don't know of any MP version I'm using the single version, but it is by no means 1800elo.

[hgm]

If you are interested playing engines in that Elo range, you could also conside micro-Max, the World's smallest chess program, measuring less than 2000 characters of computer code...

[Orlov]

If you are interested playing engines in that Elo range, you could also conside micro-Max, the World's smallest chess program, measuring less than 2000 characters of computer code...

Also you have very good and very fast moves generator.
thanks.