Fruit availability - 2 questions

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Ryan Benitez
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Re: Fruit availability - 2 questions

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If there is a future release it will not be through the fruitchess.com web site. Joachim is still in control of sales of Fruit 2.2 and Fruit 2.2.1. If a new Fruit is release it will not be commercial.
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Uri Blass
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Re: Fruit availability - 2 questions

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Ryan Benitez wrote:If there is a future release it will not be through the fruitchess.com web site. Joachim is still in control of sales of Fruit 2.2 and Fruit 2.2.1. If a new Fruit is release it will not be commercial.
What is the reason for the decision not to do it commercial?

Playing strength is clearly enough to make it commercial even if it is not number 1 and if fabien does not like to deal with customers he can still give someone else to do the job.

Uri
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Graham Banks
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Re: Fruit availability - 2 questions

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Uri Blass wrote: What is the reason for the decision not to do it commercial?

Uri
Of course they don't have to give a reason.
It's their choice and their business.

Regards, Graham.
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Nid Hogge

Re: Fruit availability - 2 questions

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Ryan Benitez wrote:If there is a future release it will not be through the fruitchess.com web site. Joachim is still in control of sales of Fruit 2.2 and Fruit 2.2.1. If a new Fruit is release it will not be commercial.
On playchess now appears "Fruit 3..Beta", Anyone know if it's fake? .. The user is Nolan Denson. I really hope we gonna see a newer Fruit version someday as well.

Here's a reference game Vs. Rybka.
Hope it's genuine. (Btw it won the next game but It wouldn't copy it for some reason):


[Event "3m + 0s, rated"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2007.07.22"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Wildberries, Rybka 2.3.2a mp"]
[Black "EL-SHADDAI, Fruit 3...Beta"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2749"]
[BlackElo "2498"]
[PlyCount "171"]
[EventDate "2007.07.22"]
[EventType "blitz"]

1. e4 {0} c5 {0.00/0 0} 2. Nf3 {0} d6 {0.00/0 0} 3. d4 {0} cxd4 {0.00/0 0} 4.
Nxd4 {0} Nf6 {0.00/0 0} 5. Nc3 {0} Nc6 {0.00/0 0} 6. Bg5 {0} e6 {0.00/0 0} 7.
Qd2 {0} a6 {0.00/0 0} 8. O-O-O {0} Bd7 {0.00/0 0} 9. f3 {0} b5 {0.00/0 0} 10.
Nxc6 {0} Bxc6 {0.00/0 0} 11. Kb1 {0} Be7 {0.00/0 0} 12. h4 {0} Rc8 {0.00/0 0}
13. Ne2 {0} Bb7 {0.00/0 0} 14. Nd4 {0} h6 {0.00/0 0} 15. Be3 {0} Nd7 {0.00/0 0}
16. g4 {0} Ne5 {0.00/0 0} 17. Qg2 {0} Bxh4 {0.00/0 0} 18. g5 {0} hxg5 {0.00/0 0
} 19. Bxg5 {0} Qxg5 {0.00/0 0} 20. Qxg5 {0} Bxg5 {0.00/0 0} 21. Rxh8+ {0} Kd7 {
0.00/0 0} 22. Rxc8 {0} Kxc8 {0.00/0 0} 23. Bg2 {0} Kc7 {0.00/0 0} 24. c3 {0}
Be3 {0.00/0 0} 25. Re1 {0.33/15 5} Bf4 {0.00/0 0} 26. Ne2 {0.35/15 3} Be3 {
0.00/0 0} 27. Nc1 {0.38/15 2} Bf4 {0.00/0 0} 28. Kc2 {0.50/15 2} Nc4 {0.00/0 0}
29. Bh1 {0.48/18 4} Ne3+ {0.00/0 0} 30. Kd3 {0.55/19 3} Nc4 {0.00/0 0} 31. b3 {
0.53/18 2} Ne5+ {0.00/15 6} 32. Kc2 {0.56/19 6} g5 {0.00/16 1} 33. Nd3 {
(Ne2) 0.53/19 1} Nxd3 {-0.04/17 9} 34. Kxd3 {0.52/21 12} Bc6 {-0.08/18 0} 35.
Bg2 {(a3) 0.58/19 2} d5 {-0.24/15 6} 36. Rh1 {(e5) 0.59/20 2} dxe4+ {0.00/15 5}
37. fxe4 {0.54/19 0} f6 {0.04/17 9} 38. Rh7+ {0.69/17 7} Bd7 {0.09/18 0} 39.
Bf3 {(Bh3) 0.77/18 7} f5 {0.12/16 6} 40. c4 {(exf5) 0.97/19 2} g4 {0.34/15 6}
41. Bh1 {(exf5) 0.97/20 6} Bd6 {0.07/16 8} 42. exf5 {1.00/16 1} bxc4+ {
0.14/16 5} 43. bxc4 {1.06/21 12} exf5 {0.23/19 0} 44. Kd4 {1.06/20 2} Kd8 {
0.20/17 1} 45. c5 {1.20/19 1} Bc7 {0.20/17 4} 46. Rh6 {(c6) 1.39/19 2} f4 {
0.20/15 4} 47. Bc6 {1.39/21 1} Bf5 {0.20/16 4} 48. Rf6 {(Be4) 1.86/18 2} Bc2 {
0.71/15 5} 49. Re6 {2.39/16 2} Bb8 {1.87/15 0} 50. Re8+ {2.87/17 1} Kc7 {
1.85/16 0} 51. Bd5 {2.95/18 0} f3 {1.86/15 4} 52. Be6 {(Rf8) 3.51/20 0} f2 {
2.40/14 2} 53. Rc8+ {4.28/21 3} Kb7 {2.38/17 0} 54. c6+ {4.28/22 4} Ka7 {
2.38/18 1} 55. c7 {4.35/22 2} Bxc7 {2.69/18 0} 56. Rxc7+ {4.63/23 3} Kb6 {
3.10/19 4} 57. Rf7 {4.63/23 0} g3 {3.28/18 5} 58. Bh3 {4.67/23 10} Ba4 {
3.29/20 0} 59. Rf3 {(Rf6+) 4.62/19 11} Bd7 {3.55/18 5} 60. Rf6+ {
(Bg2) 5.94/20 10} Ka5 {2.34/18 3} 61. Bf1 {(Bg2) 5.82/17 0} Bb5 {5.19/17 2} 62.
Bxb5 {6.00/18 3} axb5 {5.47/20 0} 63. Ke3 {5.83/15 0} Kb4 {5.28/15 2} 64. Ke2 {
6.01/16 0} Ka3 {5.46/17 1} 65. Rf5 {(Rf4) 6.14/14 0} b4 {5.48/18 2} 66. Rf4 {
6.11/11 0} Kxa2 {5.66/20 3} 67. Rxb4 {6.22/15 0} Ka3 {5.76/21 2} 68. Rg4 {
6.30/14 2} Kb3 {5.81/21 3} 69. Rxg3+ {6.30/13 0} Kc4 {5.76/13 3} 70. Kxf2 {
6.28/11 1} Kd4 {5.69/11 0} 71. Kf3 {(Rh3) 6.30/10 2} Ke5 {6.15/20 2} 72. Ke3 {
(Rg5+) 6.32/10 0} Kf5 {5.89/14 3} 73. Rh3 {(Rg1) 6.40/11 1} Ke6 {5.98/14 2} 74.
Ke4 {(Kd4) 6.50/10 2} Kd6 {6.32/17 1} 75. Rc3 {6.75/10 0} Ke6 {#11/24 1} 76.
Rc6+ {(Rd3) 6.83/11 2} Kd7 {6.32/12 2} 77. Kd5 {6.84/12 0} Ke7 {6.33/11 2} 78.
Ke5 {6.90/11 3} Kd7 {6.55/12 0} 79. Rc4 {(Rc3) #8/10 0} Ke7 {#7/30 1} 80. Rc7+
{#7/8 0} Kd8 {#6/51 1} 81. Kd6 {#6/7 0} Ke8 {#5/49 0} 82. Ra7 {(Ke6) #5/5 0}
Kf8 {#4/48 1} 83. Ke6 {#4/3 0} Kg8 {#3/46 1} 84. Kf6 {#3/3 0} Kh8 {#2/44 1} 85.
Kg6 {#2/3 0} Kg8 {#1/39 0} 86. Ra8# {(Lag: Av=0.49s, max=5.6s) #1/3 0} 1-0

(Sorry for crappy format, changed only later).
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Daniel Mehrmann
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Re: Fruit availability - 2 questions

Post by Daniel Mehrmann »

Graham Banks wrote:
Uri Blass wrote: What is the reason for the decision not to do it commercial?

Uri
Of course they don't have to give a reason.
It's their choice and their business.

Regards, Graham.
Fully agree and its pretty complicated anyway. After Fabien and Ryan told me the story, i don't understand it fully. :roll:


best,
daniel
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Ryan Benitez
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Re: Fruit availability - 2 questions

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Nid Hogge wrote:
Ryan Benitez wrote:If there is a future release it will not be through the fruitchess.com web site. Joachim is still in control of sales of Fruit 2.2 and Fruit 2.2.1. If a new Fruit is release it will not be commercial.
On playchess now appears "Fruit 3..Beta", Anyone know if it's fake? .. The user is Nolan Denson. I really hope we gonna see a newer Fruit version someday as well.

Here's a reference game Vs. Rybka.
Hope it's genuine. (Btw it won the next game but It wouldn't copy it for some reason):


[Event "3m + 0s, rated"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2007.07.22"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Wildberries, Rybka 2.3.2a mp"]
[Black "EL-SHADDAI, Fruit 3...Beta"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2749"]
[BlackElo "2498"]
[PlyCount "171"]
[EventDate "2007.07.22"]
[EventType "blitz"]

1. e4 {0} c5 {0.00/0 0} 2. Nf3 {0} d6 {0.00/0 0} 3. d4 {0} cxd4 {0.00/0 0} 4.
Nxd4 {0} Nf6 {0.00/0 0} 5. Nc3 {0} Nc6 {0.00/0 0} 6. Bg5 {0} e6 {0.00/0 0} 7.
Qd2 {0} a6 {0.00/0 0} 8. O-O-O {0} Bd7 {0.00/0 0} 9. f3 {0} b5 {0.00/0 0} 10.
Nxc6 {0} Bxc6 {0.00/0 0} 11. Kb1 {0} Be7 {0.00/0 0} 12. h4 {0} Rc8 {0.00/0 0}
13. Ne2 {0} Bb7 {0.00/0 0} 14. Nd4 {0} h6 {0.00/0 0} 15. Be3 {0} Nd7 {0.00/0 0}
16. g4 {0} Ne5 {0.00/0 0} 17. Qg2 {0} Bxh4 {0.00/0 0} 18. g5 {0} hxg5 {0.00/0 0
} 19. Bxg5 {0} Qxg5 {0.00/0 0} 20. Qxg5 {0} Bxg5 {0.00/0 0} 21. Rxh8+ {0} Kd7 {
0.00/0 0} 22. Rxc8 {0} Kxc8 {0.00/0 0} 23. Bg2 {0} Kc7 {0.00/0 0} 24. c3 {0}
Be3 {0.00/0 0} 25. Re1 {0.33/15 5} Bf4 {0.00/0 0} 26. Ne2 {0.35/15 3} Be3 {
0.00/0 0} 27. Nc1 {0.38/15 2} Bf4 {0.00/0 0} 28. Kc2 {0.50/15 2} Nc4 {0.00/0 0}
29. Bh1 {0.48/18 4} Ne3+ {0.00/0 0} 30. Kd3 {0.55/19 3} Nc4 {0.00/0 0} 31. b3 {
0.53/18 2} Ne5+ {0.00/15 6} 32. Kc2 {0.56/19 6} g5 {0.00/16 1} 33. Nd3 {
(Ne2) 0.53/19 1} Nxd3 {-0.04/17 9} 34. Kxd3 {0.52/21 12} Bc6 {-0.08/18 0} 35.
Bg2 {(a3) 0.58/19 2} d5 {-0.24/15 6} 36. Rh1 {(e5) 0.59/20 2} dxe4+ {0.00/15 5}
37. fxe4 {0.54/19 0} f6 {0.04/17 9} 38. Rh7+ {0.69/17 7} Bd7 {0.09/18 0} 39.
Bf3 {(Bh3) 0.77/18 7} f5 {0.12/16 6} 40. c4 {(exf5) 0.97/19 2} g4 {0.34/15 6}
41. Bh1 {(exf5) 0.97/20 6} Bd6 {0.07/16 8} 42. exf5 {1.00/16 1} bxc4+ {
0.14/16 5} 43. bxc4 {1.06/21 12} exf5 {0.23/19 0} 44. Kd4 {1.06/20 2} Kd8 {
0.20/17 1} 45. c5 {1.20/19 1} Bc7 {0.20/17 4} 46. Rh6 {(c6) 1.39/19 2} f4 {
0.20/15 4} 47. Bc6 {1.39/21 1} Bf5 {0.20/16 4} 48. Rf6 {(Be4) 1.86/18 2} Bc2 {
0.71/15 5} 49. Re6 {2.39/16 2} Bb8 {1.87/15 0} 50. Re8+ {2.87/17 1} Kc7 {
1.85/16 0} 51. Bd5 {2.95/18 0} f3 {1.86/15 4} 52. Be6 {(Rf8) 3.51/20 0} f2 {
2.40/14 2} 53. Rc8+ {4.28/21 3} Kb7 {2.38/17 0} 54. c6+ {4.28/22 4} Ka7 {
2.38/18 1} 55. c7 {4.35/22 2} Bxc7 {2.69/18 0} 56. Rxc7+ {4.63/23 3} Kb6 {
3.10/19 4} 57. Rf7 {4.63/23 0} g3 {3.28/18 5} 58. Bh3 {4.67/23 10} Ba4 {
3.29/20 0} 59. Rf3 {(Rf6+) 4.62/19 11} Bd7 {3.55/18 5} 60. Rf6+ {
(Bg2) 5.94/20 10} Ka5 {2.34/18 3} 61. Bf1 {(Bg2) 5.82/17 0} Bb5 {5.19/17 2} 62.
Bxb5 {6.00/18 3} axb5 {5.47/20 0} 63. Ke3 {5.83/15 0} Kb4 {5.28/15 2} 64. Ke2 {
6.01/16 0} Ka3 {5.46/17 1} 65. Rf5 {(Rf4) 6.14/14 0} b4 {5.48/18 2} 66. Rf4 {
6.11/11 0} Kxa2 {5.66/20 3} 67. Rxb4 {6.22/15 0} Ka3 {5.76/21 2} 68. Rg4 {
6.30/14 2} Kb3 {5.81/21 3} 69. Rxg3+ {6.30/13 0} Kc4 {5.76/13 3} 70. Kxf2 {
6.28/11 1} Kd4 {5.69/11 0} 71. Kf3 {(Rh3) 6.30/10 2} Ke5 {6.15/20 2} 72. Ke3 {
(Rg5+) 6.32/10 0} Kf5 {5.89/14 3} 73. Rh3 {(Rg1) 6.40/11 1} Ke6 {5.98/14 2} 74.
Ke4 {(Kd4) 6.50/10 2} Kd6 {6.32/17 1} 75. Rc3 {6.75/10 0} Ke6 {#11/24 1} 76.
Rc6+ {(Rd3) 6.83/11 2} Kd7 {6.32/12 2} 77. Kd5 {6.84/12 0} Ke7 {6.33/11 2} 78.
Ke5 {6.90/11 3} Kd7 {6.55/12 0} 79. Rc4 {(Rc3) #8/10 0} Ke7 {#7/30 1} 80. Rc7+
{#7/8 0} Kd8 {#6/51 1} 81. Kd6 {#6/7 0} Ke8 {#5/49 0} 82. Ra7 {(Ke6) #5/5 0}
Kf8 {#4/48 1} 83. Ke6 {#4/3 0} Kg8 {#3/46 1} 84. Kf6 {#3/3 0} Kh8 {#2/44 1} 85.
Kg6 {#2/3 0} Kg8 {#1/39 0} 86. Ra8# {(Lag: Av=0.49s, max=5.6s) #1/3 0} 1-0

(Sorry for crappy format, changed only later).
Yes Nolan Denson does have some Fruit beta versions.
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Nid Hogge

Re: Fruit availability - 2 questions

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Yes Nolan Denson does have some Fruit beta versions.
Thanks, I hope it keeps with the top. Already witnessed how it slashes some fish :P .
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