New Fritz author?

[Albert Silver]

Hi Carl,

I have Fritz 10, 12 and 13 - so missed 11. I was also impressed by 10. It seemed to a good engine.

So what's Frans Morsch up to these days? I had thought he was one of the very few professional chess programmers left.

Anyone know?

Steve

Hi Steve,

It is a good question. It seems to me that his involvement in the Fritz project actually diminished after the success he had with Fritz 10. Some people say that CB wanted to catch up to Rybka and 'remodeled' Fritz to play more like Rybka, and thus we got Fritz 11-13, stronger but unimpressive.

Right now he seems to be out of the picture completely, which raises some questions.
However intrigued I am by the Pandix engine [aka Fritz 14], I do have to wonder about Frans Morsch exiting thru the backdoor like this.

Carl

There are no conspiracies. He is retiring of his own desire.

[carldaman]

Thanks for clarifying, Albert. I did not know the details.

CL

[A Distel]

Hi Kai,

I happened before, though not obviously. Fritz 11 has nothing to do with Fritz 10 and Frans Morsch. It has to do with Yuri Osipov and Vas Rajlich.

Really? Or are you joking?

If it's true, it's news to me.

Steve

He is joking. Morsch was the developer until, and including, Fritz 13.

Actually, I own both Fritz v10 and v11. They are different like day and night.

Sure, Fritz 11 is visibly stronger, but the great style of Fritz 10, a landmark program that defeated WC Kramnik in 2006, was completely gone. Fritz 10 was/is one of the few programs capable of playing well in closed positions.

Regards,
CL

Closed positions... Fritz10 or Deep Fritz10?

[Sylwy]

Hi Kai,

I happened before, though not obviously. Fritz 11 has nothing to do with Fritz 10 and Frans Morsch. It has to do with Yuri Osipov and Vas Rajlich.

Really? Or are you joking?

If it's true, it's news to me.

Steve

He is joking. Morsch was the developer until, and including, Fritz 13.

Actually, I own both Fritz v10 and v11. They are different like day and night.

Sure, Fritz 11 is visibly stronger, but the great style of Fritz 10, a landmark program that defeated WC Kramnik in 2006, was completely gone. Fritz 10 was/is one of the few programs capable of playing well in closed positions.

Regards,
CL

Closed positions... Fritz10 or Deep Fritz10?

Deep Fritz 10.1 (version: 10.1.0.0; date of the version: 03-03-2007; size: 913.408 bytes) !

This engine has great tactical skills !

Regards,
SilvianR

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

Hi Kai,

I happened before, though not obviously. Fritz 11 has nothing to do with Fritz 10 and Frans Morsch. It has to do with Yuri Osipov and Vas Rajlich.

Really? Or are you joking?

If it's true, it's news to me.

Steve

He is joking. Morsch was the developer until, and including, Fritz 13.

Actually, I own both Fritz v10 and v11. They are different like day and night.

Sure, Fritz 11 is visibly stronger, but the great style of Fritz 10, a landmark program that defeated WC Kramnik in 2006, was completely gone. Fritz 10 was/is one of the few programs capable of playing well in closed positions.

Regards,
CL

Closed positions... Fritz10 or Deep Fritz10?

Deep Fritz 10.1 (version: 10.1.0.0; date of the version: 03-03-2007; size: 913.408 bytes) !

This engine has great tactical skills !

Regards,
SilvianR

Fully agreed....
Dr.D

[A Distel]

Hi Kai,

I happened before, though not obviously. Fritz 11 has nothing to do with Fritz 10 and Frans Morsch. It has to do with Yuri Osipov and Vas Rajlich.

Really? Or are you joking?

If it's true, it's news to me.

Steve

He is joking. Morsch was the developer until, and including, Fritz 13.

Actually, I own both Fritz v10 and v11. They are different like day and night.

Sure, Fritz 11 is visibly stronger, but the great style of Fritz 10, a landmark program that defeated WC Kramnik in 2006, was completely gone. Fritz 10 was/is one of the few programs capable of playing well in closed positions.

Regards,
CL

Closed positions... Fritz10 or Deep Fritz10?

Deep Fritz 10.1 (version: 10.1.0.0; date of the version: 03-03-2007; size: 913.408 bytes) !

This engine has great tactical skills !

Regards,
SilvianR

Thank you very much for the info.
With kind regards,
Alain.

[carldaman]

Hi Kai,

I happened before, though not obviously. Fritz 11 has nothing to do with Fritz 10 and Frans Morsch. It has to do with Yuri Osipov and Vas Rajlich.

Really? Or are you joking?

If it's true, it's news to me.

Steve

He is joking. Morsch was the developer until, and including, Fritz 13.

Actually, I own both Fritz v10 and v11. They are different like day and night.

Sure, Fritz 11 is visibly stronger, but the great style of Fritz 10, a landmark program that defeated WC Kramnik in 2006, was completely gone. Fritz 10 was/is one of the few programs capable of playing well in closed positions.

Regards,
CL

Closed positions... Fritz10 or Deep Fritz10?

I have Deep Fritz 10.1 (including the patch/update).

[mclane]

My opinion is that the law should forbid this type of behaviour.

In other words the law should force changing the name of the program to some different name unless the new program is a derivative of the old program.

If Fritz14 is not a derivative of Fritz13 then there is no reason to keep the name Fritz and it is clearly trying to mislead the customers because my initial thought when I read Fritz14 is that it is a derivative of Fritz13.

Its about capitalism. Not about laws. In a global market, changing a Name is reducing the Sales, if your Product had a good name, I am sure many many people who buy fritz14 will be surprised if they suddenly find out it has the pandix engine inside.
That's how capitalism works.

[Modern Times]

And for sure the new DFritz 14 is based on Pandix. Nothing to do with DFritz 13 (and the old historical code of Mr. Frans Morsch) excepting the ChessBase compiler !

I don't think that we know this for sure, do we ? Just because it is "completely redesigned" does not mean that all the old code was thrown away necessarily. Perhaps Albert can comment.

[Sylwy]

My opinion is that the law should forbid this type of behaviour.

In other words the law should force changing the name of the program to some different name ........................

Its about capitalism. ................many many people who buy fritz14 will be surprised if they suddenly find out it has the pandix engine inside.
That's how capitalism works.

SilvianR