koedem wrote:I just played against someone who ran it on decently fast hardware (he said on average 10k playouts per move) and it actually played some nice chess. https://lichess.org/G7brl6KQ/white#0
Not only was it quite an effort to win, also the game looked very human like. Very impressive.
(but yeah, you need a decent number of playouts for it to play good chess)
Looking at the game I can easily detect it is a computer.
No weak human at the level of that program(not a beginner) is going to miss Bxf8 and play 12...Rb8
Weak humans who are not beginners may miss captures but no chance to miss Bxf8 after the opponent played Bh6.
The captures they have chances to miss are indirect threats or capture when they leave the defence of some pawn(like playing Bc1-f4 and missing Qxb2) or some long moves(Bh6xf8 is too short).
koedem wrote:I just played against someone who ran it on decently fast hardware (he said on average 10k playouts per move) and it actually played some nice chess. https://lichess.org/G7brl6KQ/white#0
Not only was it quite an effort to win, also the game looked very human like. Very impressive.
(but yeah, you need a decent number of playouts for it to play good chess)
Looking at the game I can easily detect it is a computer.
No weak human at the level of that program(not a beginner) is going to miss Bxf8 and play 12...Rb8
Weak humans who are not beginners may miss captures but no chance to miss Bxf8 after the opponent played Bh6.
The captures they have chances to miss are indirect threats or capture when they leave the defence of some pawn(like playing Bc1-f4 and missing Qxb2) or some long moves(Bh6xf8 is too short).
I can easily see a human being scared of Re8 Ng5 there and deciding it's a good practical decision to sac the exchange. (it's incorrect of course but I definitely know humans who totally would play that)
koedem wrote:I just played against someone who ran it on decently fast hardware (he said on average 10k playouts per move) and it actually played some nice chess. https://lichess.org/G7brl6KQ/white#0
Not only was it quite an effort to win, also the game looked very human like. Very impressive.
(but yeah, you need a decent number of playouts for it to play good chess)
Looking at the game I can easily detect it is a computer.
No weak human at the level of that program(not a beginner) is going to miss Bxf8 and play 12...Rb8
Weak humans who are not beginners may miss captures but no chance to miss Bxf8 after the opponent played Bh6.
The captures they have chances to miss are indirect threats or capture when they leave the defence of some pawn(like playing Bc1-f4 and missing Qxb2) or some long moves(Bh6xf8 is too short).
on move 12. Black cant avoid exchange. It is forced. If black play Re8, white will go Ng4 and Nxf7 is unstoppable. It is just 3 ply tactics that you missed.
It is strong human play. If I am in short of time like bullet/blitz, I wont consider moving rook at that position because, white bishop is position ally superior. And in reverse, if I were a white player, i will consider saving that powerful bishop first, search for possible mate threat and pressure , and only that options are failed, I will simply exchange vs stacked rook for material advantage.
koedem wrote:I just played against someone who ran it on decently fast hardware (he said on average 10k playouts per move) and it actually played some nice chess. https://lichess.org/G7brl6KQ/white#0
Not only was it quite an effort to win, also the game looked very human like. Very impressive.
(but yeah, you need a decent number of playouts for it to play good chess)
Looking at the game I can easily detect it is a computer.
No weak human at the level of that program(not a beginner) is going to miss Bxf8 and play 12...Rb8
Weak humans who are not beginners may miss captures but no chance to miss Bxf8 after the opponent played Bh6.
The captures they have chances to miss are indirect threats or capture when they leave the defence of some pawn(like playing Bc1-f4 and missing Qxb2) or some long moves(Bh6xf8 is too short).
on move 12. Black cant avoid exchange. It is forced. If black play Re8, white will go Ng4 and Nxf7 is unstoppable. It is just 3 ply tactics that you missed.
It is strong human play. If I am in short of time like bullet/blitz, I wont consider moving rook at that position because, white bishop is position ally superior. And in reverse, if I were a white player, i will consider saving that powerful bishop first, search for possible mate threat and pressure , and only that options are failed, I will simply exchange vs stacked rook for material advantage.
I suggest a slight improvement on the Slow mode. Please allow us to make a move reply immediately during the 10 second pause. Then it automatically send our move to the server after 10 seconds. It fixes the unresponsive feel of the page while the result is just the same.
The slow mode got bug fixed and actually let's leela think for longer. (previously slow and fast mode gave leela same amount of time per move)
So it plays noticably stronger now on slow mode although not quite as strong as in the game I played on lichess. (imo)
