Larry Kaufman how much different is Shogi to Chess ?

[pichy]

Larry Kaufman how much different is Shogi to Chess and can a Chess player improve his tactics by learning and playing Shogi?

Black: Larry Kaufman, USA
White: Takahiro Hayashi, Japan
1st International Shogi Tournament, June 20th 1999
1.P7g-7f 2.P3c-3d 3.P6g-6f 4.S7a-6b 5.R2h-6h 6.P6c-6d 7.S7i-7h 8.S6b-6c
9.K5i-4h 10.S6c-5d 11.S7h-6g 12.R8b-6b 13.B8h-7g 14.K5a-4b 15.K4h-3h
16.K4b-3b 17.G6i-5h 18.P7c-7d 19.P5g-5f 20.G6a-5b 21.S3i-4h 22.P1c-1d
23.P1g-1f 24.P4c-4d 25.P4g-4f 26.P4d-4e 27.P4fx4e 28.S5dx4e 29.S4h-5g
30.S4e-5d 31.P*4f 32.S3a-4b 33.G5h-4g 34.S4b-4c 35.P3g-3f 36.G4a-4b
37.G4i-4h 38.S4c-4d 39.N2i-3g 40.G5b-4c 41.R6h-6i 42.N2a-3c 43.B7g-9e
44.P8c-8d 45.R6i-7i 46.P9c-9d 47.B9e-6h 48.R6b-7b 49.B6h-8f 50.S5d-6c
51.P4f-4e 52.N3cx4e 53.N3gx4e 54.P8d-8e 55.N4ex5c+ 56.G4cx5c 57.B8f-6h
58.S6c-5d 59.P1f-1e 60.P1dx1e 61.P*1d 62.K3b-4c 63.L1ix1e 64.P*1b
65.P2g-2f 66.K4c-5b 67.P2f-2e 68.B2b-3c 69.R7i-1i 70.P*4e 71.P1d-1c+
72.P1bx1c 73.P*1b 74.L1ax1b 75.N*2f 76.N*1d 77.L1ex1d 78.P1cx1d
79.N2fx3d 80.G4b-4c 81.P2e-2d 82.P2cx2d 83.N*3e 84.S4dx3e 85.P3fx3e
86.N*2c 87.G4g-3f 88.G5c-4d 89.P*1c 90.G4dx3e 91.G3fx3e 92.N2cx3e
93.P1cx1b+ 94.L*3f 95.K3h-4i 96.P*3g 97.R1ix1d 98.P3g-3h+ 99.K4i-5h
100.L3f-3g+ 101.G4hx3h 102.+L3gx3h 103.P*4d 104.B3cx4d 105.R1dx2d
106.G*8h 107.R2d-2a+ 108.P*5a 109.L*5e 110.S5dx5e 111.P5fx5e
112.P4e-4f 113.S5gx4f 114.P*4g 115.P*4i 116.+L3hx4i 117.K5h-5g
118.P4g-4h+ 119.+R2a-3b 120.P*4b 121.N3dx4b+ 122.G4cx4b 123.S*4c
124.K5b-6a 125.S4cx4b+ 126.N*3c 127.+S4bx5a 128.K6ax5a 129.+R3bx7b
130.P*5f 131.K5gx5f 132.S*4g 133.K5f-5g 134.+P4h-5h Resigns

[hgm]

Did you ever play Crazyhouse?

Amazingly enough you can paste this game into WinBoard, (after switching it to Shogi, of course, and without the header lines), and when you then save it you get:

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[Event "Game from non-PGN file"]
[Site "CHESS_LAPTOP"]
[Date "2012.04.28"]
[Round "-"]
[White "?"]
[Black "?"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Variant "shogi"]

1. c4 g6 2. d4 Sd8 3. Rd2 d6 4. Sc2 Sd7 5. Kf2 Se6 6. Sd3 Rd8 7. Bc3 Kf8 8.
Kg2 Kg8 9. Gde2 c6 10. e4 Gde8 11. Sf2 i6 12. i4 f6 13. f4 f5 14. fxf5 Sxf5
15. Se3 Se6 16. P@f4 Sf8 17. Gf3 Sff7 18. g4 Gff8 19. G1f2 Sf6 20. Ng3 Gef7
21. Rd1 Ng7 22. Ba5 b6 23. Rc1 a6 24. Bd2 Rc8 25. Bb4 Sd7 26. f5 Nxf5 27.
Nxf5 b5 28. Nxe7+ G7xe7 29. Bd2 Se6 30. i5 ixi5 31. P@i6 Kf7 32. Lxi5 P@i8
33. h4 Ke8 34. h5 Bg7 35. Ri1 P@f5 36. i7+ ixi7 37. P@i8 Lxi8 38. N@h4 N@i6
39. Lxi6 ixi6 40. Nxg6 Gff7 41. h6 hxh6 42. N@g5 Sxg5 43. gxg5 N@h7 44. Gg4
Gef6 45. P@i7 Gxg5 46. Gxg5 Nxg5 47. ixi8+ L@g4 48. Kf1 P@g3 49. Rxi6 g2+
50. Ke2 Lg3+ 51. Gxg2 +Lxg2 52. P@f6 Bxf6 53. Rxh6 G@b2 54. Rh9+ P@e9 55.
L@e5 Sxe5 56. exe5 f4 57. Sxf4 P@f3 58. P@f1 +Lxf1 59. Ke3 f2+ 60. +Rg8
P@f8 61. Nxf8+ Gxf8 62. S@f7 Kd9 63. Sxf8+ N@g7 64. +Sxe9 Kxe9 65. +Rxc8
P@e4 66. Kxe4 S@f3 67. Ke3 +Pe2
{Resigns} 0-1

I really love this new parser!

[JuLieN]

I really love this new parser!

That's indeed impressive, good job!

(Out of curiosity, going to search for a shogi app on the App Store.)

[pichy]

I really love this new parser!

That's indeed impressive, good job!

(Out of curiosity, going to search for a shogi app on the App Store.)

Here is a good one that I just purchased to learn how to play and the 3D graphics is excellent.
http://www.thetradingcentre.co.uk/produ ... number=637

[JuLieN]

I really love this new parser!

That's indeed impressive, good job!

(Out of curiosity, going to search for a shogi app on the App Store.)

Here is a good one that I just purchased to learn how to play and the 3D graphics is excellent.
http://www.thetradingcentre.co.uk/produ ... number=637

Yes it looks good. But it's only for windows and I was searching an App for my iPad. After searching for a while (there are many) I finally chose this one:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kakinoki ... 58797?mt=8

Kakinaki Shogi for iPad:
Because:
- half of the other apps are in Japanese only... That would significantly increase the learning curve
- the pieces can be displayed with western letters instead of kanjis
- it looks packed with functions and has a good finish.

Authors' website: http://homepage2.nifty.com/kakinoki_y/i ... ad_en.html

[pichy]

I really love this new parser!

That's indeed impressive, good job!

(Out of curiosity, going to search for a shogi app on the App Store.)

Here is a good one that I just purchased to learn how to play and the 3D graphics is excellent.
http://www.thetradingcentre.co.uk/produ ... number=637

Yes it looks good. But it's only for windows and I was searching an App for my iPad. After searching for a while (there are many) I finally chose this one:
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kakinoki ... 58797?mt=8

Kakinaki Shogi for iPad:
Because:
- half of the other apps are in Japanese only... That would significantly increase the learning curve
- the pieces can be displayed with western letters instead of kanjis
- it looks packed with functions and has a good finish.

Authors' website: http://homepage2.nifty.com/kakinoki_y/i ... ad_en.html

You can also learn how to play Shogi in Youtube.com

[hgm]

I have always found the representation of Chess pieces by letters or characters very cumbersome to play with. So in WinBoard I used a representations that makes life a bit easier for players of western Chess:



Of course it also supports the traditional oriental representation. But only in a single, quite large board size, as the kanji take a lot of resolution. These are built-in bitmaps; of course the general font-based piece rendering could be used to have any representation at any size, with the aid of a Shogi font (which is available).



For those new to the game, the 'sowTargetSqures' option (shown below on a Xiangqi game) seems to be a real help; I have gotten quite positive feedback on that.

[PK]

If You want to check about Shogi, the best way is to learn the rules and then play a couple of games at http://81dojo.com/client.html

I'm only a weak beginner, but I can say that Shogi is at least as deep a game as chess, possibly even deeper. Pieces move slowly, what makes for very subtle manowuvring in the opening (you might see a "telegraphed punch" coming in 3 or 4 moves and still have problems with defending against it, if pieces are badly placed). but once a piece gets captured, they can be dropped everywhere on the board - which means that after a couple of exchanges it's possible to construct a mating attack very quickly. therefore keeping a solid defensive formation ("a castle") and continous attacking becomes much more important than material balance. knowledge of castles, how to attack and defend them, becomes as important as opening theory. if there's not too big difference in strength, actually both players attack simultaneously. I guess that the last element is where fun comes from (at least for the beginner).

[pichy]

I have always found the representation of Chess pieces by letters or characters very cumbersome to play with. So in WinBoard I used a representations that makes life a bit easier for players of western Chess:



Of course it also supports the traditional oriental representation. But only in a single, quite large board size, as the kanji take a lot of resolution. These are built-in bitmaps; of course the general font-based piece rendering could be used to have any representation at any size, with the aid of a Shogi font (which is available).



For those new to the game, the 'sowTargetSqures' option (shown below on a Xiangqi game) seems to be a real help; I have gotten quite positive feedback on that.

Where can you download your winboard version of Shogi and what Shogi program is included:?:

[pichy]

I have always found the representation of Chess pieces by letters or characters very cumbersome to play with. So in WinBoard I used a representations that makes life a bit easier for players of western Chess:



Of course it also supports the traditional oriental representation. But only in a single, quite large board size, as the kanji take a lot of resolution. These are built-in bitmaps; of course the general font-based piece rendering could be used to have any representation at any size, with the aid of a Shogi font (which is available).



For those new to the game, the 'sowTargetSqures' option (shown below on a Xiangqi game) seems to be a real help; I have gotten quite positive feedback on that.

How do you select the Shogi, with a Westernized representation of board and pieces?
I just downloaded this winboard version which include Shogi.
http://hgm.nubati.net/