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How long it will take a Super Computer to solve chess?
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Jorge Pichard



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PostPost subject: Re: How long it will take a Super Computer to solve chess?    Posted: Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:06 pm Reply to topic Reply with quote
pichy wrote:
S.Taylor wrote:
pichy wrote:
Solving chess means finding an optimal strategy for playing chess, i.e. one by which one of the players (White or Black) can always force a victory, or both can force a draw.

Recent scientific advances have not significantly changed that assessment. The game of checkers was solved in 2007,[5] but it has roughly the square root of the number of positions in chess. Jonathan Schaeffer, the scientist who led the effort, said a breakthrough such as quantum computing would be needed before solving chess could even be attempted, but he does not rule out the possibility, saying that the one thing he learned from his 16-year effort of solving checkers "is to never underestimate the advances in technology".[6] Assuming computational power continues to increase exponentially, chess would be solved "before 2250".[7]
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http://rjlipton.wordpress.com/2010/05/12/can-we-solve-chess-one-day/


I would be EXTREMELY interested to see a program with chess solved. However, anything from Houdini 1.5 or stronger, i already decided, is enough for my purposses. I was waiting many years for that level from available chess computers. So i have to be satisfied one day, and i would call that now. I never wanted to ask for too much Wink Rolling Eyes

I'm talking as a consumer.

But let me suggest a problem which might occur even in a solved-chess program!!!
Please give opinions if this might be true.

A program can may be be made, one day, to draw ANYONE or thing. Such a program will obviously come top in any match, as it will never have any losses, and would surely win one or two vs any program which is not like as great as the "solved chess" monster.
However, that may not mean it plays the strongest moves always. The moves might just be strong enough to hold the draw.... assuming its opponent didn't make big mistakes, in which case it would obviously win (coldly). [but it may not know how to exploit all (exploitable) microscopic mistakes and innacuracies].

If it will not do that, then it's not all that interesting to me, to have chess solved in a program. Another human or program might find a better move!


It would be another 5 years before we can officially say that Chess has just been solved as Checker was and declared by Chessbase and many scientists Wink
http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=3997
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How long it will take a Super Computer to solve chess? Jorge Pichard Mon Jan 09, 2012 11:37 pm
      Re: How long it will take a Super Computer to solve chess? Ricardo Barreira Tue Jan 10, 2012 12:03 am
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            Re: How long it will take a Super Computer to solve chess? Jorge Pichard Thu Jan 12, 2012 1:35 am
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            Re: How long it will take a Super Computer to solve chess? Jean ahlbeck Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:18 am
                  Re: How long it will take a Super Computer to solve chess? Jorge Pichard Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:42 am
                        Re: How long it will take a Super Computer to solve chess? Jean ahlbeck Mon Feb 27, 2012 12:02 pm
      Re: How long it will take a Super Computer to solve chess? S.Taylor Tue Feb 28, 2012 8:16 am
            Re: How long it will take a Super Computer to solve chess? Jorge Pichard Tue Feb 28, 2012 11:46 am
                  Re: How long it will take a Super Computer to solve chess? Jorge Pichard Tue Feb 28, 2012 1:06 pm
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            Re: How long it will take a Super Computer to solve chess? Jean ahlbeck Tue Feb 28, 2012 12:53 pm
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