Two Opposite Chess Cultures......

[fern]

The case of Sting, a new program that is a confessed derivative of Stockfish BUT add an interesting new function is a good example of how things are viewed here by two different categories of people representing two opposite cultures, morals, etc.
One of those cultures, let us name it "Relaxed, carefree" culture, has people that does not pay attention to the derivative aspect of Sting and just downloaded the thing to play it and enjoy the New feature announced by the author.
The other one, we can call it "juridical, strict and puritan " culture has members that at once ask the author if he is doing this or that to be legal, if he is or not in agreement with this or that legal issue, etc.
To this culture belong the people that talk more about dirty cloning of this or that engine than about what else those sinful engines add and offer.
To the other belong relaxed people like me that just see if we have something new to enjoy an if so, consider the engine as something new in a great or lesser degree.
I can see that, as happens with different cultures, no agreement is possible.

Now I am waiting the usual barrage about what-i-will-do.if-someone-copy-on-of-my-books.

Best for all cultures regards
Fern

[mar]

That's not fair Fernando, my reaction was meant to inform Marek that something is wrong with the license. Nothing more, nothing less.
I wish him good luck with his efforts.

Martin

[fern]

No Martin, my post was NOT aimed at you in a particular sense and I am happy you thinks as you does. I was thinking in a certain kind of reaction that has been popular here.
No intention to begin wars, just on the contrary, trying to appease things, proving or stating that sometimes peace is possible when all parts recognize that simply there is not common ground and better to coexist as we are.
I believe it is a good thing people are worried about legal aspects as much that put a barrier to real thieves: at the same time is good there are people like me, because that makes easier to develop new approaches without so much fear to be accused of using a bit of this or that previous product.

If you felt touched, I apologize.

fern

[mar]

No Martin, my post was NOT aimed at you in a particular sense and I am happy you thinks as you does. I was thinking in a certain kind of reaction that has been popular here.
No intention to begin wars, just on the contrary, trying to appease things, proving or stating that sometimes peace is possible when all parts recognize that simply there is not common ground and better to coexist as we are.
I believe it is a good thing people are worried about legal aspects as much that put a barrier to real thieves: at the same time is good there are people like me, because that makes easier to develop new approaches without so much fear to be accused of using a bit of this or that previous product.

If you felt touched, I apologize.

fern

No need to apologize. I'm sorry that I mistunderstood your post. Nice weekend to you.

Martin

[MikeGL]

Looks like the server of OP in Poland is down and I can't download the Sting_1.0 binaries. I found a 7z file with the binaries in 32bit and 64bit, but it was infected by a remote admin tool.

Have you downloaded that Sting_1.0b binaries fernando? I'd like to check it out but was too late to download the file. The URL link of sting1.0 is now dead.

[fern]

No, I did not download it. I spoke generally of people doing that, which could be me, but this time for some reason I still had not.

Fern

[hgm]

Indeed, it is easy to be 'relaxed' at theft when they are not stealing from you...

[Milos]

Indeed, it is easy to be 'relaxed' at theft when they are not stealing from you...

Sorry but in a capitalist world that we live in, stealing is possible only if the object of the theft has material value.
Breaking licenses is not stealing per se (violation of laws yes, but not theft), no matter how much you push to equalize it.

[mcostalba]

Now I am waiting the usual barrage about what-i-will-do.if-someone-copy-on-of-my-books.

I think you didn't get the point

If you don't care about what people does with your books it is up to you. If a developer does not care what people does with his work he can just release as public domain software. But if someone choses to release under a GPL license it is because he cares.

Your are not a developer, but nevertheless you are in this forum almost daily since ages and because you are not an idiot you probably know what a software license is. So I'd ask you to run the extra mile, to do a little more effort and leave your quiet hill of "There are two Opposite Chess Cultures, I am in one because in the other I see only schizophrenic puritans and anyhow I don't care" and try instead to ask your self why someone would chose to spend hours and a lot of efforts on a software to be released free of charge and with full sources. Try to ask yourself why do exist public domain and GPL license and are considered very different by developers (ask google if these terms look strange to you, I know it takes more than writing few lines in a post, so, also in this case....do a little effort and run the extra mile).

Lazy intellectual aristocracy regards
Marco

[fern]

Thanks for that line about aristocracy, but I am just an humble user with scarce if at all knowledge of programming.
Nevertheless, in spite of my obvious shortcomings, I have clear in mind that you cannot compare the case of a technological thing made of many parts developed long ago and finally supported by the full history of sciences and a work of art, or that at least pretend to be one.
EVERY technological thing is made out of previous parts, developments, etc.
EVERY work of art is valid by itself, though is is equally inspired by previous art works.
Of course you can say, as Don does, that an engine is kind of a work of art, a crafty thing with same rights as a novel to be untouchable. I cannot accept that point. You can feel that your way of developing something has an artistic aspect. As you know, in math many times it is said that such demonstration is "elegant". But you know well that one thing is a tech artifact and the other the feeling you can have developing it. Arts and technology are ruled by different rules.
So my point has been always the same: in a work of art you cannot take nothing, in a work of technology you cannot NOT to do it.
Besides, this is moot as much many of the supposed clones discussed here are different to the supposed original engines; they have lot of added work and are better.
If you show me an engine ta is the exact copy of another or almost, then I am with you, but only then.

You see, even being a lazy guy i wrote a good piece of writing. and free
saludos
Fernando