How to beat chess computers by Eduard Nemeth

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Uri
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How to beat chess computers by Eduard Nemeth

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Here's a good game i found which uses anti-computer chess:

[White "Eduard Nemeth"]
[Black "Fritz 8"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "C24"]

1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd4 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.a3 Nc6 5.g3 Nxe4 6. Bxf7+ Kxf7 7. Qh5+ Ke6 8. Qg4+ Kd5 9. f3 Nd6 10. c4+ Kxc4 11.b3+ Kxb3 12. Bg5 Qe8+ 13. Ne2 Kb2 14. Nbc3 Kxa1 15. Kd2+ Kb2 16. Rb1+ Kxa3 17.Ke1 Qxe2+ 18. Kxe2 Nc4 19. Bc1+ Nb2 20. Rxb2 dxc3 21. Rb4+ Ka2 22. Qc4+ Ka1 23. Qxc3+ Ka2 24. Qb2# 1-0

In this position Shredder 10 doesn't see Bxf7!

[d]r1bqkb1r/pppp1ppp/2n5/8/2Bpn3/P5P1/1PP2P1P/RNBQK1NR w KQkq - 0 6

Links:

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/adam.bozon/computers.htm
http://www.beepworld.de/members37/computerschach/
http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess2/honor.htm
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Re: How to beat chess computers by Eduard Nemeth

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Uri wrote: In this position Shredder 10 doesn't see Bxf7!
r1bqkb1r/pppp1ppp/2n5/8/2Bpn3/P5P1/1PP2P1P/RNBQK1NR w KQkq - 0 6
Why Shredder 10 should find this bad move?
After 7...g6 black wins!
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Re: How to beat chess computers by Eduard Nemeth

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After 7...g6 comes Qd5+ and white wins back the piece but black should still win because white's king is still in the center and his pieces are not developed.

[d]r1bq1b1r/pppp2kp/2n3p1/8/3pQ3/P5P1/1PP2P1P/RNB1K1NR b KQ - 0 9
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Re: How to beat chess computers by Eduard Nemeth

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I thought you must have written a book! :lol:
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Re: How to beat chess computers by Eduard Nemeth

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Hi,

An article written by Eduard about anti-computer chess:

Mes stratégies anti-ordinateur in French

Meine Anticomputerschach Strategien in German

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Re: How to beat chess computers by Eduard Nemeth

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I used to have quite a bit of success before with white using anti computer tactics. Basically a stonewall and then let the computer commit on Queenside and then make a Kingside attack. I hate the tactics that just block the position and for the goal to be "only" a draw. Unfortunately with strong quad hardware today and extremely strong engines it is no more successful. Even with a big advantage out of the opening the computer will outplay me eventually. The good times are over it seems ... but hey you can always fire up that Pentium 90Mhz and have a go at one of the weaker engines.
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There's always the option of using the setup option to remove the computer's pieces (or at least to move them to less troublesome positions). :lol:
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Re: How to beat chess computers by Eduard Nemeth

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Graham Banks wrote:I thought you must have written a book! :lol:
We have to realise that in a chess perspective all that anti-computer stuff is nonsense because it's as if in chess all players came running and bombarding the crowd with their latest novelties only to make chess a bit more boring! I mean real chess is about competition! That means that you just dont throw away your best shots. You keep them for the special moment in three years to come perhaps.

Eduard is the co-pilot of the chessless programmer in computerchess and he shows with what stupid play a computer could be surprised in his rhythm. Selfunderstood that a stronger player than Nemeth would deny to play such nonsense chess because it contradicts all kind of schools in chess. And this is why Eduard wins and super GM lose against a machine. Because you cant beat a machine with super GM play because the machine has that one up to move 30 in his memory and two moves later the endgame begins with the tablebases. Eduard however marks the point of the hopeless emptiness of the chess of computers.


I think the idiocy of computerchess to the contrary of real chess is the fiction or mania of a faultless play and if there is a mistake you have to add some code. Spooky though that a computer has these ever-lasting deficits and he will always make the same mistakes because of his inborn blindness. The situation could be compared with a wheelchair driver who wants to participate in the 100 meter hurdles and he must claim complete darkness so that nobody can watch how he's lifted over the obstacles by telescopic boom...

Sure, also human chessplayers must hide their weaknesses but at least they can play chess while a machine is a calculating monster with a pea big mastermind. No wonder that David Levy now is a doctor of science because he dreams of falling in love with such entities! A subform of sexism that is.
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Re: How to beat chess computers by Eduard Nemeth

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Here's another position which chess programs don't understand. It is taken from a book by Vladimir Vukovic called "The Art of Attack in Chess". The books teaches how to lunch a successfull attack on the king.

[d]r1bq1rk1/pp1n1ppp/1bp1p3/8/3P1B2/2PB1N2/PP3PPP/R2QR1K1 w - - 0 0

Here Shredder 10 doesn't find 1.Bxh7+! Kxh7 2.Ng5+ Kg8 3.Qh5 Nf6 4.Qh4 Re8 5.Be5 Qe7 6.Re3 Bd8 7.Rh3 Kf8 8.Qh8+ Ng8 9.Bxg7#

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http://www.chesscafe.com/text/aac.txt
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Re: How to beat chess computers by Eduard Nemeth

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Uri wrote:Here Shredder 10 doesn't find 1.Bxh7+! Kxh7 2.Ng5+ Kg8 3.Qh5 Nf6 4.Qh4 Re8 5.Be5 Qe7 6.Re3 Bd8 7.Rh3 Kf8 8.Qh8+ Ng8 9.Bxg7#

Link:

http://www.chesscafe.com/text/aac.txt
Shredder 11 also doesn't find 1.Bxh7+!
but it suggests 4. ...e5 instead of ...Re8

Is it still a win?